mickytrus Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Aye, A 92 Loyale. 1.8l 5 speed running strong at like 285k..... I haven't been there to see this....... as I am not near the car but, will be this weekend.... and thought I would post beforehand..... It seems to be running fine,,,, but it will stall out..... A good example would be when coasting to a stop(due to being a 5 speed) So if you are at a decent speed, in fifth gear or whatever....... (gettting off the highway.) or even reducing speed due to approaching a traffic lite.... She will Stall..... you have to give it a little gas otherwise stalls......... Any thoughts??????? Like I said, otherwise the car runs strong.. I have had five of these cars....... this one is running as strong as the first day I drove it......... Yes, the CEL is on......... At one point I did get it to go out..... I replaced a part that sits near the thermostat housing....... Thanks, Micky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The CTS can cause odd intermittent problems like that. Also, the IAC valve. Read the code, it may give you the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsyme Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Is it actually overheating? Cold. Can you start it without touching the gas pedal, and do you hear it idle high<2 minutes> and then slow down when it gets to temp? All without touching the gas pedal? Edited October 6, 2017 by jsyme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsyme Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I think my money is on the IAC valve. (Idle Air control.) Check out this thread: Low cold Idle 93 Loyalehttp://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/64199-low-cold-idle-93-loyale/ Here is a generic link to troubleshoot it: https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/how-to-check-an-idle-air-control-valve-by-jerel-lawrence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee2 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Yes, the CEL is on......... This. Check the code, resolve the problem, then see if the stalling persists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickytrus Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 Can I plug an OBDII into it?........ I Don't think so, right? Thanks for all the good feed back / questions.... AND The car no longer will start by just turning the key....... I started it this morning( I only just an now actually get to be with the vehicle) and To start the car I had to put my foot on the gas pedal...... AND There is no... absolutely none..... zeroo......... Fast Idle... And it is not Idling at normal Idle speed........... More like 300 RPM.... Thanks.... I don't think I can plug this pup in.......... I only have an ODBII device....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickytrus Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 It is not running hot..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickytrus Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 To identify this IAC... Is it on the front of the throttle body behind the power steering resevoir? It has a fairly large hose going to it...... 5/8" id perhaps(off throttle body main air inlet) as well as power... 2 pin plug(I think) I looked into the connection point of the hose into this thing/device..... looks like some kind of valve Gizmo..... thing..... Thanks, Micky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Sounds like the IAC. Yes, round thing with 2 wires and big hose on front of the throttle body. This car is obd1. Read the code blinked by the LED on the ECU, under the steering column. You have to remove the plastic cover that has th air vent for your feet and legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickytrus Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 Ok, Thanks.... Dave T...... Let you know how it goes....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickytrus Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 Yeah, So the code is 24........ So do I fiddle with this thing to get it to work?????? Or do I just get one out of my Loyale graveyard? I did spray some WD-40 down in the Vacuum side..... I starts now with out my foot feathering..... What would you's do...... Go to the boneyard? or fiddle? Thanks, MIcky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickytrus Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 So I ended up going to the boneyard... I grabbed a complete throttle body from a known running ok vehicle/engine... I still have the same problem with this complete throttle body from the other vehicle It is still throwing 24 code.... And still with this complete throttle body, has the problems with starting poorly (requiring foot feathering ) Where should I go from here? Thanks, Micky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Check all the wire run from the valve to the ECU. A bad connection or bad wire can do the same thing. Code 24 is the IAC. Open or shorted. I once had a wire in the harness on the engine break - inside it's insulation. The way I found it was 2 part. I got lucky, and it decided to be flakey when I was testing with a meter. 2nd, was I disassembled the wrapping from the wiring, and found the 2 wires. Noticed a slightly funny spot, and sure enough, when I bent the wire, it was clearly broken inside the insulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickytrus Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Ok, I will check the wire.... Yeah, makes sense.... I was even thinking the connector could have gone bad.. near the IAC With a volt meter what should I be looking for at the IAC.... for voltage???? Does the IAC have a relay in it's circuit? Thanks, Micky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferp420 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I would check your grounds and vacume lines a bad gound will cause all kinds of problems if it is a ground issue its most likly a body ground you can do a quick test with jumper cables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The IAC is wired directly to the ECU. Iirc, I found the intermittent break with an ohm meter. Found the pins on the ECU that are wired to the IAC using my factory service manual. Disconnect the connector, connect the meter to the harness. It should read something fairly low, wiggle the wiring and the connectors to narrow down where the break is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I would check your grounds and vacume lines a bad gound will cause all kinds of problems if it is a ground issue its most likly a body ground you can do a quick test with jumper cables The ECU and all engine accesorries ground through the bolt on the intake manifold. The Fuel pump and Ig. relays are the on;y part of the Engine electronics that ground to the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferp420 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I got that code with a bad ground and 2 other codes the wire from battery to body solved the issue for me and ive seen it on 2 other loyals same issues same solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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