steve56 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Had to pull torque converter with engine. Got it back in the transmission and its sticking out one inch. How do I get it in that last 3/4 of inch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana tom Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Pull gently back away from tranny, rotate converter either direction and try again. Continue until you hit the flat spots down inside and then the converter will slip in that last little bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmdew Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 3 steps as it goes in. When you mount the trans, if the TC is all the way back, the flex plate bolts will pull the TC about a 1/8" forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, lmdew said: 3 steps as it goes in. When you mount the trans, if the TC is all the way back, the flex plate bolts will pull the TC about a 1/8" forward. The trans never came out, just the engine and TC. The engine was seized so couldn't undo the flex plate to TC bolts. It actually broke a rod. There were pieces of the rod stopping the crank shaft from turning. The problem I'm having is getting the TC back in the trans to its 1/4 inch out position. It looks like the Cclip that stops the TC from coming out, now wont let the TC go back in that extra 1/2 inch. Edited August 19, 2018 by steve56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Lift and turn. Gentle pressure. That's all it takes unless something is F'd. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 I've been lifting by the nub on the front of the TC and turning. I've got the TC to one inch of flush, but not to the one quarter inch it supposed to be at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 18 hours ago, GeneralDisorder said: Lift and turn. Gentle pressure. That's all it takes unless something is F'd. GD I think I found the problem. There is a Cclip that normally stops the TC from coming out when removing the engine, is not letting the TC go back in that last 1/2 inch. Its a 2004 Impreza and the Cclip sits about an inch behind the front trans seal. It looks like the Cclip needs to be permanently removed to get the TC back to its proper position. Need to know if that method is the procedure I should use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana tom Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Steve did the foot long shaft come out with the converter? Nothing holds the actual t/c in place but the bolts to the flex plate. No c- clip. Your issue is with the inner shaft. Do not remove any C clip to install! Remove just the T/C and then the shaft and see what the fix is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, montana tom said: Steve did the foot long shaft come out with the converter? Nothing holds the actual t/c in place but the bolts to the flex plate. No c- clip. Your issue is with the inner shaft. Do not remove any C clip to install! Remove just the T/C and then the shaft and see what the fix is. 6 minutes ago, montana tom said: Steve did the foot long shaft come out with the converter? Nothing holds the actual t/c in place but the bolts to the flex plate. No c- clip. Your issue is with the inner shaft. Do not remove any C clip to install! Remove just the T/C and then the shaft and see what the fix is. Hi Tom Just the TC came out engine. There is a foot long shaft that comes out and goes in with no problems and is undamaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 That is the oil pump drive shaft and there is a wire retainer that holds it to the torque converter. Snap the pump drive to the TC and install them together. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, GeneralDisorder said: That is the oil pump drive shaft and there is a wire retainer that holds it to the torque converter. Snap the pump drive to the TC and install them together. GD The shaft and the TC don't seem to be connected by a wire retainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 hours ago, GeneralDisorder said: That is the oil pump drive shaft and there is a wire retainer that holds it to the torque converter. Snap the pump drive to the TC and install them together. GD Where is the wire retainer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 It's usually on the pump drive. Sometimes they fall off. Look around. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 11 hours ago, GeneralDisorder said: It's usually on the pump drive. Sometimes they fall off. Look around. GD Haven't found a wire retainer under the car, What does the retainer look like. Is it safe to put the torque converter back on without the wire retainer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 GD - is it number 8 in this drawing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Hi Lucky. Thank you for posting that info on the wire retainer. I'm sure # 8 must be the wire retainer. My pump drive doesn't have a groove on the end of pump drive shaft for #8 to fit into. Thinking this shaft doesn't use a retainer to keep the shaft and torque converter together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I think you not understanding which part we are talking about. In that diagram the pump drive is #7. It's a hollow tube about 2" in diameter. You need to fish it out of the trans. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 33 minutes ago, GeneralDisorder said: I think you not understanding which part we are talking about. In that diagram the pump drive is #7. It's a hollow tube about 2" in diameter. You need to fish it out of the trans. GD Yes I'm defiantly confused. Here's a pic looking down the shaft into the trans. Can the tube be seen from this pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) Yes it's the tube surrounding the stator splined shaft in the pic. You will need a 90 degree pick tool to pull it out where you can get at the wire clip, etc. You can grab it by the raised notches that interface with the TC tube. GD Edited August 22, 2018 by GeneralDisorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Here's a pic of the shaft in question: GD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, GeneralDisorder said: Here's a pic of the shaft in question: GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Thanks GD. Appreciate your knowledge and help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 Hi GD. Got the tube out of trans and installed on torque converter with the retainer clip. When I reinstall the oil pump shaft, how far should it be sticking out measuring from the trans seal? It usually is sticking out 4 1/2 inches. but sometimes stops at 4 inches and 5 inches out from the seal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 You mean the input shaft? The "pump shaft" is the tube...... I've never measured I just push them in till they are seated. Whatever the shortest measurement is I would say. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, GeneralDisorder said: You mean the input shaft? The "pump shaft" is the tube...... I've never measured I just push them in till they are seated. Whatever the shortest measurement is I would say. GD Yes I meant input shaft. Have the pump shaft connected to the TC with retainer clip. Should I pull the input shaft back out of trans and reinstall the TC, pump and input shaft together as one unit or reinstall the input shaft separately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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