Subberman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 So I have a working EJ25 out of a 2000 Outback collecting dust in my garage. I'd like to buy a decent, newer Outback with a bad engine to put it in. I'm currently looking at a 2007 that's in good shape except for the engine. What issues will I encounter with this swap? I believe the main one is that the ECU relies on the MAP for load calculations for one engine and the MAF on the other? Am I correct that I should be OK if I use the intake from the 2007 on my good long block. Both are automatic transmission. Which, if any sensors do I need to swap into my engine from the blown 2007? Much thanks in advance for any advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana tom Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Up to 2005 will work. 2007 has variable valve timing .I don't believe your ecu will be compatible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subberman Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Ahh, I did not realize that. Is there a work-around? What about installing an ecu from a 2000-2005 and leaving the intake, etc. on the 2000 engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocei77 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 You can install the heads from the 07 onto the 05. Don't know of any other workaround. O. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Pin Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 sorry, a bit confused on this. So, ocei77, he can take 07 heads and put them on the 2000 block with the 2000 intake?? or does he need the 07 intake on the 2000 block also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana tom Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 If he moves the heads over, he needs the intake from the 07. Intake ,cam & crank must stay with car. The EJ 25 short block is the same. The 2000 will have a different pcv hookup but that can be worked around. Much easier to find a clean rust free 04-or 05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Pin Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 cool, so i take the 2000-2005 block, install 07 heads, 07 intake, cam and crank and mcgiver the pcv and it works like a charm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana tom Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Only 99-01 need mcgivering on the pcv , 02+ pcv are the same as 07. The short block is the same for a long time,only the heads changed in 06. On any swap, the intake , cam gear and crank gear MUST stay with the original car . There are exceptions to that, but as a general rule that's what matches the ecu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subberman Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Moving the heads, intake, cam & crank gears from the 07 to the 00 engine would not be much extra work if that would allow me to use my engine in the car. I have head gaskets and timing belt kit sitting on the engine in my garage waiting to be installed when I find a car to put it in. That's assuming the 07 heads are good. Apparently engine was run low on oil so that isn't a given but I suspected the damage was probably crank/rod bearings. I checked out the car yesterday and it's a pretty good vehicle except for the engine. One issue I found has me stumped though. The car has sat for a few months and the battery is dead, so I put the jumper cables on to power it up and check that everything seems operational and see if any codes were set. Even without the key in it was drawing a lot of current and the abs hydraulic unit was making noise like the pump was running. Any ideas on what could be going on? Why would the hydraulic unit be powered up even with the key off? Still looking for a good 00-05 I could put my engine into, but so far haven't found anything decent and this is a pretty nice car at a good price. Edited September 21, 2018 by Subberman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subberman Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) So I found this post, apparently regarding the same issue on older models. I will look at the car again and check/pull the abs relay. (Sorry, haven't figured out how to correctly link to other forum posts) Edited September 21, 2018 by Subberman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana tom Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Be very careful on variable valve timing heads that were run low on oil. They can be bad, and they are hard to get. I have had to buy whole cars to get good vvt heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subberman Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 And there would be no way for me to know their condition, right? So it still sounds like I am better off to keep looking for a 00-05 with a blown engine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Pin Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I just bought a 07 wagon. The lower end is bad, but the heads and timing appear ok. Will swap a 2000 block in and do the 07 heads, intake timing etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Pin Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 It looks like the oil pans are different on the motors. Seems like I have to use the pan from 07. Gaskets are the same. I wonder about the oil pick up tube in the pan if they are the same or if I need the 07 one. Anyone have any idea. The 01 engine is still in the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 gasket? aren't these on with RTV or similar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Pin Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I use a gasket. Regardless, if the gasket is the same part number, it is the same shape on the block so the 07 pan can move to the older block because it needs to based on the exhaust differences on the 07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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