DaveT Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 If the thermostat is original, it is certainly old enough to be bad. OEM or the high end Stant thermostats are what I have used. They will have the jiggle pin. Normal operating temp is around 190 degrees, which is pretty uncomfortable to touch. A meat thermometer is a low cost option for testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Not a test, but I want you to get a proper temp gauge. Did the thermo fan(s) cycle in that time? Cheers Bennie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinicus Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 9:43 AM, divinicus said: Good news, I did an extensive radiator test this morning and the coolant is 100% clear and bubble free after running for ten minutes from a cold start, so it appears my hgs are just fine. What I did detect was the engine block getting hot to the touch, so I assume the coolant is nit getting past a stuck thermostat, new one on order. Are there any other tests you want me to run prior to changing out the thermostat?! Ok, I got new OEM thermoatat and housing and two new radiator hoses. Should I ask my mechanic to flush out the radiator when he installs? Also got a recovery/overflow tank and will install. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 It needs to be checked to be sure it is free flowing. And the condition of the fine fins and tubes. Also, if the hoses were original, make sure you find all of the cooling system hoses, and replace all of them. New radiator hoses don't stop a bypass hose that's 30 years old from failing. An EA82 engine has 7 cooling system hoses. The older ones had 1 or 2 fewer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinicus Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Ok, thanks to everyone I am getting close to getting this engine cooling issue fixed. Two things left I need help with, please identify the two different parts needed, one is the thermo switch to turn on the radiator fan(s), and secondly, the sensor that will reactivate my temp gauge. Thanks again! Edited September 10, 2019 by divinicus Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 The fan thermo switch is on the radiator. The sensor for the dash temp gauge is a single wire sensor with a hex head, screwed into the intake manifold near the engine thermostat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 ALso make sure your radiator is grounded with the little ground wire at the top of the radiator to the upper rad support panel. Engine temp gauge sensor is a 17mm hex head Cheers Bennie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinicus Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/9/2019 at 10:24 PM, el_freddo said: ALso make sure your radiator is grounded with the little ground wire at the top of the radiator to the upper rad support panel. Engine temp gauge sensor is a 17mm hex head Cheers Bennie Hi Bennie, I was able to get both sensors, but the intake manifold temp sensor has only one spade lug on it, not two like the original and corresponding to the wiring connector. Can you advise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 The engine sensor should only have one plug/tab. The sensor is grounded through the intake manifold and is basically a thermal resistor, the single wire is what goes to the gauge to make it do its thing. The radiator fan switch is also a single plug unit. It too is grounded but through the radiator. The other wire earths out the relay that triggers the thermo fan(s). If you have a two wire unit, it’s for an L series but will still work if you ground one wire - I’m not 100% sure if this is specific to one wire or either wire. If you’ve got this unit your radiator doesn’t need to be grounded. Cheers Bennie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 The most basic, cheapest and easiest service item has been mentioned - the radiator cap. It not only meant to hold the wet stuff in, it holds in the pressure that builds up. Increasing the pressure increases the wet stuffs boiling temp If this ten dollar part has failed on you it will cause your problems described You could possibly drive one of these EA81 for years and miles from new without a gauge and have no problems. Bit riskier trying at this age 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiriusBlack Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I had the same issue with my 86 BRAT. A new radiator cap and a thorough Radiator flush did the trick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinicus Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 I got the Brat over to my mechanic today. The radiator was leaking so I ordered a new one as part of this job. Question, since I am restoring the fan system, how are the two fans wired? Does the smaller fan operate independently? Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinicus Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 Hello all, Thanks for everyone's help! Got the car back from my mechanic, new radiator, thermostat, hoses, etc. System all flushed and running well *(not overheating). However, even with new manifold sensor installed, dash temp gauge still doesn't work. As an alternative, can't I just get an AM temp gauge and connect that up? Suggestions? Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Yes. I have run my EA82MONGREL for years without the factory water temp gauge. Instead I use two metal temp gauges, one purely as a high temp alarm set to 96° C They are simple, cheap, Chinese made and sourced 12V aquarium digital units with switching for alarm as I first mentioned, the second is my visible in digital numbers and also set to turn both fans on at 92°C metal temp I used to run separate fan switching so I slow traffic just to manually turn one on, but two at same time have been working well, they cycle on and off pretty quickly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinicus Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 Great and thank you, can you semd links to those parts? How is the temp sensor attached to engine block? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 On my tablet I have no clue how to link. So go to your preferred online access to China, use search terms such as 12v aquarium digital temperature alarm and look through the million possible choices Some are twin circuit, twin channel, some mains voltage get shoved into category so make sure you get 12v They come with screw terminals to add a relay or buzzer. I use these to drive the relays 85, 86 switching. I use the ones that are about 75 mm wide,25 high, come in matching grey body with red digits The sender is about 4 mm diameter by about 19 long probe You can just make a mount tab from some aluminium flat, 6 mm thick about 20x20, drill hole to suit probe tight fit, 8.5 mm hole to mount tab on thermostat housing hold down bolt or do two circuits, one on left head, other on right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Or get one of these: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Engine-Block-Head-Temperature-Alarm-ENGINE-WATCHDOG-TM1/132987012774?hash=item1ef6a4c6a6:g:JJsAAOxyk99R3NSK can do Fahrenheit units too. Cheers Bennie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinicus Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, el_freddo said: Or get one of these: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Engine-Block-Head-Temperature-Alarm-ENGINE-WATCHDOG-TM1/132987012774?hash=item1ef6a4c6a6:g:JJsAAOxyk99R3NSK can do Fahrenheit units too. Cheers Bennie Hi Bennie, I like this solution! Where do you recommend the sensor gets mounted on the block, and in Fahrenheit, what is the safe range and upper limit that should sound the alarm? Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 @divinicus - I’m sure you set the alarm to whatever temp you want. Find a bolt on one of the heads to use as the reference point, this is where the most heat is generated and where the coolant does most of its cooling transfer work (collecting heat). Cheers Bennie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinicus Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, el_freddo said: @divinicus - I’m sure you set the alarm to whatever temp you want. Find a bolt on one of the heads to use as the reference point, this is where the most heat is generated and where the coolant does most of its cooling transfer work (collecting heat). Cheers Bennie Thanks, Bennie. So you mean anywhere on the block near spark plugs, etc. I found this unit made in Australia that looks good, also allows a second sensor to read temp at surface of oil filter. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F163559066517 Which brings up another related issue. My Brat has auto trans. Doesn't the cooling system keep the tranny running cool? What maintenance and checklist is important here? Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 There are uitsyou cagey to monitor the trans too. I wouldn’t bother with the engine oil temps as the idea of the metal sensor on the head is to alert you to high temps regardless of whether or not you have coolant. Find an in-used bolt hole on the head and use that. Cheers Bennie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I have had a couple of watchdog tm2 and at one tenth the price I like my aquarium units Sensor location recommended by Watchdog is simply the thermostat cover housing bolts! My gauges each run off both these bolts. The cam cases also often has spare threaded holes in them but that is thicker metal than thermo housing and closer to coolant There is a lower priced engine guard also sold here in Aus for $100 I think The watchdog us powered via cig socket , best if you hardwire. TM4 is a twin setting or twin circuit, can't recall These Chinese units I make up been tested 150,000 km so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) Have a look in post called " Subaru Brumby not priming" it has a simple guide and photos for your temp gauge. Thread started by Mike Edited September 28, 2019 by Steptoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinicus Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hi All, I'm installing the Australian-made high temp gauge which has two sensors, one is under one if the two bolts holding the thermostat body and the other will wrap aroumd the oil filter. I will start a new topic once it is set up. Not happy with the mechanic that installed new radiator and thermostat in my Brat. Now, although the overheating issues seem to be solved, the car is riding roughly and struggles to get to second and third gears (mine is an automatic). The tranny was working beautifully before this latest job. I also noticed one of the air hoses near the thermostat is not connected, but to me this is almost like a computer issue or loose connection. I did make sure that the tranny fluid was topped off. I'm wary about going back to the same shop! Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I think the more you take a specialist sort of vehicle to either wrong specialist, or an ordinary workshop - the more you will want to learn to diagnose, fix and maintain your beast yourself. Maybe mount the oil filter sensor to a magnet to make oil changes easier. Grease monkeys likely to not expect an oil filter sensor. Do your own oil changes now. An overheat often kills engines and transmissions. Maybe a compression test for engine now a good starting point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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