syphon Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 They're not Subaru pics, but I took them at a Subaru meet at Evan's Creek Of course immediately followed by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zefy Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 And Chux, I believe that the ejs have a VLSD in the center diff. They behave as if they are in 4wd when off road. Not once has any of my ejs ever only spun the front wheels. In fact, they tend to send more power to the rear. If you pop the clutch in the dirt, the rears will dig in more than the front. hehe... the only person i've seen actually foil the AWD system in my parents 01 legacy was my mom! she had one front tire on ice (frozen big puddle) and when we wanted to move we couldn't... that front tire just spun to its hearts content... she tried it once... then gave me a puzzled look, then tried it again... second time we moved... i guess the computers for the AWD figured it out... power went to the back wheels... kinda slow reaction(it was 3-4 seconds)... but then again my mom stopped pretty quick we she saw that she wasn't moving... so there you go... its possible to spin a front wheel only... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterD Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Sometimes? We as the Hatch Patrol showed up the same guys in their Super Huge Sammis 3 different times. First time, they came crawling up 311 at Evans Creek to find a stock GL wagon on 13s already at the top. Second time, me and Qman followed them up a pretty gnarly rock that they said we'd never make. Third time, we showed up at Evans Creek to see the biggest one on its side. I drove around them on the rocks that had caused it to fall over. Trust me, we let them know too. lol that sounds like it would be funny to see:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvdrt Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 bwuahahhahahahahah 26" travel with IFS... good one... unless you have 30k into that rig ... no. I did have almost $30K into that thing. Check out prerunner.net, and see how much those guys get. Why do all of the score outlaw trucks run IFS? My specs. Custom Lift made from Downey.(almost $5000) Tubular control arms shaved bump stops Bilstein 9100 shocks front 26mm torsion bars slip yoke cv axles with Spicer 1450 u-joints heim joints on the tie rods heim joint ball joints bigger drag link custom idler arm-$200 5.29 gears-$600 installed marlin crawler t-case 4.7:1 low range- $1400 lockrights F+R- $550 ctm u-joints in all driveshafts-$700 driveline 1 driveshafts- $300 all pro offroad bumpers-$375 all pro t-case x-member-$250 warn x8000I winch-$850 all pro offroad driveshaft brake-$350 LC Engineering stroked and built 22re-$4500 jacobs Ign-$500 Borla exhaust-$ 275 Downey rear springs with heim joint shackles-#700 doestch 36" travel shocks, with remote resevoirs-$500 KC daylighters -$150 110amp alt-$200 optima yellow top-$150 I can keep going. I have full documentation. I had about 5 grand in the stereo and GPS inside the cab as well. I spared no expense building this truck.......I am still paying for it. Fact is I know I had. I no longer have the truck it was totalled. From stuff to droop, the front had 26". This was a rockcrawling built suspension. Front-26" Rear 34". If you dont believe me, your loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobme Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 OUTSTANDING!!! 26" is a damn good # for IFS 4x4!! I got 19" out of the front of my old Bronco II (but that was all my oun fab work) I retract my 1st stament on that # (U never know when some one is full of $H!t) Who made your'e front shafts? Wer they U-joint inner and outer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyB0y Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 more pics it would only upload really small pics, not sure why??? DOH!! just my luck :-p ... all but the articulation pics would post ... thx a TON for posting them 75subie! if I tried to up-load some it there isn't enough coffee here to keep me awake till they would be done ... btw I have a real skid-plate now ... no more of that stupid 90 DEG bent tubes like in the pic ... I broke down and had it done professionally ... it's worth the piece of mind (and saving my oil pan & sending unit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvdrt Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 OUTSTANDING!!! 26" is a damn good # for IFS 4x4!! I got 19" out of the front of my old Bronco II (but that was all my oun fab work) I retract my 1st stament on that # (U never know when some one is full of $H!t)Who made your'e front shafts? Wer they U-joint inner and outer? No worries. That number was from stuff to droop. I sent you the info for the axles. Their measurements is from ground level to full droop(7"). Both ways would be about 14". I managed almost the full 26" before they came out, or bound up. I actually had to put a limiting strap on the front when I went wheeling. Pre running I took the axles off, and got the full 26". With the axles I think it was around 19-20" stuff to droop. You may also want to check out Total chaos (sp?) they have some wicked long travel kits pre made. I would go that route instead of making my own next time. Or SAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Sometimes? We as the Hatch Patrol showed up the same guys in their Super Huge Sammis 3 different times. First time, they came crawling up 311 at Evans Creek to find a stock GL wagon on 13s already at the top. Second time, me and Qman followed them up a pretty gnarly rock that they said we'd never make. Third time, we showed up at Evans Creek to see the biggest one on its side. I drove around them on the rocks that had caused it to fall over. Trust me, we let them know too. lol We have had a friendly banter going with that club for about 4 yrs now. We run into eachother at many different ORV parks around Washington. They are a good group of guys that can take some razzing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet82 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 ok point made Got to be the Golden Crack in Moab. Bummer about his shock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobme Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Look close, that's an air over hydralic bump stop, the shock is the long thing with springs on it;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4x4mudrat Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I think on the subject of articulation, one thing should be cleared up: As articulation relates to suspension travel, it occurs when one wheel is pushed up and the corresponding wheel forced down. This happens on live-axled vehicles. Subarus may have wheel travel, but they do not have articulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobme Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 U are correct!! A+++ Not to many people know the diferance. The only way to get ARTICULATION on a Subaru is to do it the same way Rover has on there IFS/IRS rigs: Air suspention with large X-over lines (Rovers have a computer to controll air flow) so that when 1 wheel is forced up, it forcess the air in that bag to the other side forcing it down. And this makes a BIG diferance in off-road traction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterD Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 U are correct!! A+++ Not to many people know the diferance. The only way to get ARTICULATION on a Subaru is to do it the same way Rover has on there IFS/IRS rigs: Air suspention with large X-over lines (Rovers have a computer to controll air flow) so that when 1 wheel is forced up, it forcess the air in that bag to the other side forcing it down. And this makes a BIG diferance in off-road traction. much like this... still no live axle but three locking diffs will help:brow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 this is all true, but typically, in less-than-perfect conditions, like offroading, when one wheel is pushed up, it's opposite it dropped down...therefore getting articulation....in some form or another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboXT Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Here is a pic of my stock articulation, no front sway bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobme Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 this is all true, but typically, in less-than-perfect conditions, like offroading, when one wheel is pushed up, it's opposite it dropped down...therefore getting articulation....in some form or another THAT is flex, or travel. Articulation is when the wheel is FORCED down BY the wheel that goes up. On SAS when 1 wheel is forced up it FORCES the wheel on the other side down. THATS articulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboXT Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Ok, sorry, I guess I was wrong then.......:-\ It's all good, It's still a cool picture though. And I have gotten it to actually articulate like you are saying, but never got a pic of it. (it's articulation for a subaru, as they do not have solid axles) Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott in Bellingham Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 same way Rover has on there IFS/IRS rigs: Air suspention with large X-over lines (Rovers have a computer to controll air flow) so that when 1 wheel is forced up, it forcess the air in that bag to the other side forcing it down I like that maybe I could incorporate this on my ultimate wheeler , using airshocks instead of the normal springs, what about the subaru air control system stuff could it be modified for offroad in this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subie94 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I like that maybe I could incorporate this on my ultimate wheeler , using airshocks instead of the normal springs, what about the subaru air control system stuff could it be modified for offroad in this way i saw a gut do something like that but with hydralics and it wasn't a subaru.he could lift up or push down a different wheel with a flick of a switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyB0y Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 OK!! it worked on the lifted rigs thread, so lets see if I can get it to work here too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K9WAGON Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried putting a Sube on an RTI ramp? Get a shot stock, then at various degrees of lift, etc. I put my stock 81 brat on a ramp , didnt get any pics , but as I remember, it scored a 310 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 THAT is flex, or travel. Articulation is when the wheel is FORCED down BY the wheel that goes up. On SAS when 1 wheel is forced up it FORCES the wheel on the other side down. THATS articulation. yep yep...sorry...I meant you get the same effect, despite the fact it's not working the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty2Austin Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 hmmm flex huh.. makes sense heres another recent pic to add to the pile :cool: yeah, I am still playing on the curb @ Firestone in St Paul. (fri/sat night weekly subaru meet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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