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#1 Guest_NV Zeno_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 05:42 PM

Time to reserve vacation time at work. I'm the top dog, so I get first pick. Has there been a DEFINITE date set for the WCSS this year?

#2 Guest_subeman90_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 08:30 PM

I could sure use this nailed down too. I need to get my request in also.


#3 Guest_bratsco1_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 09:06 PM

Me also we have to have our time in by feb 9. And no Im not the top dog............Pat

#4 Guest_Hondasucks_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 09:39 PM

I **THINK** it's going to be the same weekend in August..
I wish they'd have it earlier in the summer though... *shrug*

#5 Guest_Dennis ex24_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 09:45 PM

where exactly is it going to be?

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 10:14 PM

I haven't heard, but I wish they'd consider something besides the absolute northwest corner of the continental US for once. The entire West Coast doesn't live next door to Olympia and Seattle, and it's been up there 2 years straight.

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 10:31 PM

Anyone wishing to do the work of finding a venue and arranging everything is probably welcome to offer an alternative location. I personally like the ORV park, but I live relatively close.

#8 Guest_SmashPDX_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 10:36 PM

There were alternative locations and folks willing to work last year-- hope you're not suggesting otherwise. But somewhere in there we woke up and BAM it was at the ORV.

I didn't mind driving up there, and frankly I think the ORV was a pretty nice location. But I *am* pointing out that if this is a West Coast show put on by an organization that is Pacific-Northwest wide, it needs to be handled as such. If, on the other hand, this is a Washington show put on by a Washington club and the rest of the planet just happens to be invited, well, I'll shut my mouth. :)

And before anybody shoots me down as a rabble rouser with nothing to offer, I've been hanging around PNWSEC for awhile-- not as tight as some, perhaps, but definitely here-- I brought my grill and charcoal to WCSS2 to help prepare food for the masses, and I was at WCSS3-- and offering support when I could. This is not armchair quarterbacking, it's a legitimate question.

/offsoapbox :)

#9 Guest_edrach_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 11:16 PM

I'm sorry; that wasn't my intent. I'm partial to ORV because it's easy for me. But you're correct, it is a west coast event. Let's see what develops.

#10 Guest_NoahDL88_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 11:25 PM

Hey i'm a new guy asking a stupid question but what is WCSS?


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#11 Guest_NV Zeno_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 11:25 PM

I actually liked the location...a nice getaway.

#12 Guest_BratBoy83_*

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Posted 31 January 2002 - 11:35 PM

WCSS is:


I didn't get to go last year as I had JUST bought my soob, but I heard that it was a ton and a half of fun. I'm going to be sure to make it this year though
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#13 Guest_SmashPDX_*

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 12:08 AM

No prob ed, and donna let me be a funspoiler. WCSS is awesome. Anybody thinking of coming, get yer butt up here, or down there, or wherever it winds up. :)

#14 Guest_SubaruJunkie_*

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 12:34 AM

Acording to Ken and Eric (from previous posts) the WCSS will always be held at the Thurston ORV Park. I personally think it should be held in a different state alltogether... I know there HAS to be plenty of places in Oregon or even Utah to host a large get together.


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Posted 01 February 2002 - 12:52 AM

So why don't we have more than one?

#16 Guest_SmashPDX_*

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 12:54 AM

Well, nothing against Ken and Eric, but the last time I heard WCSS involved both PNWSEC and the Hatch Patrol, and PNWSEC isn't headed up by either of them. And isn't the Hatch Oregon-based? They have a voice, but I doubt that they would make that kind of unilateral statement, at least not without knowing something that isn't public right now. The only reason I can think of why it would 'always' be there is if they worked out some arrangement with the park last year, which is possible but I haven't heard about it.

Again, I like the ORV-- but if WCSS is becoming a Washington event by a Washington club then let's just call it what it is so the rest of us out-of-state folks aren't sitting here thinking we actually have something to offer about it other than driving north.

I like the idea of more than one (the more the better!) but the logistics, particularly in terms of vendor participation, would likely make it an impossibility (at least if one expected both events to have the same scale as previous events). The sheer size of WCSS pretty much makes it a once-a-year event. Start having little mini-WCSSes for the sake of keeping it/one in Washington and you'll have a mini-WCSS in OR, and a mini-WCSS in CA... and probably no big WCSS. Or at least that's my bet.

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 01:31 AM

do you have to be a member of the PNWSEC to go to WCSS??? Does being a member of PNWSEC cost a yearly fee?? Hmmm, and if I do come to WCSS, which i hope to be, can i park next to the hatch patrol :-P

#18 Guest_SubaruJunkie_*

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 02:16 AM

The WCSS is an open event available to ANY Subaru owners. Last year there were a couple people who showed up cause they were driving by the park and saw us. PNWSEC fee's are located at their webpage: www.pnwsec.org


#19 Guest_Hondasucks_*

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 02:58 AM

Also you don't even have to drive your sube to the show (I showed up in my Mom's Mercury Sable wagon.. Hey the EFI cuts out at 105 :evil: ) But trust me you will get hounded :-) I'm bringin' 2 soobs this year..

But as for location, it's not THAT much of a drive for me, like 190 miles or so, but there ARE some other off-road areas in Oregon we could have it at, theres a HUGE off-road park, forget the name of it but Mudrat79 has a map of it, out in Eastern Oregon, but then again eastern oregon is HOT in August.. Well not Arizona hot but hotter than Washington :-)
Just my .02..

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 04:03 AM

Ha, I think I remember seeing you in the sable, we were joking about how you didnt belong in there in that car :lol: and that you shoulda walked instead :lol: )

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 08:51 AM

I can't believe all this squabbling, both the Hatch Patrol and PNWSEC are Washington based, Ken is a member of both and has worked with Jamie all along to make this event work. Hey, if you don't want to come to the Pacific Northwest for a vacation with a bunch of Subie nuts, then stay at home, or organize one in your area. I haven't heard too much from the east coast show later, where is it going to be?( <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> It would help if I read all the posts, I see the ECSS 1 is going strong) I believe that the Thurston ORV Park is closer to Portland then it is to Bellingham. Actually it's about the same distance from Portland as it is from Everett. If it was just a show and shine car show, it could be held just about anywhere, but we like to drive our cars, so we need a place where they can be driven in a manner we are acustom to, and that limits the number of places. So make your plans to come, or stay at home and miss the excitement, the choice is yours.

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 09:47 AM

Last time I checked, Lewy, I was in the Pacific Northwest. Portland is in the Pac NW right? Or is the Pac NW just Washington to you guys? You got a different map of the US in front of you or something?

You know what? The only "squabbling" I'm hearing is from the people whose attitude is "hey, we're in Washington and we like it up here so the whole lot of you can come to us or shut up." So much for it being "West Coast." Pile of crap. I'll bear it in mind next time PNWSEC asks me to fork over cash for membership, disappears and has no communication, doesn't send what they say they're going to, shows up the next year asking for more with stories of someone who snatched the money and ran, offers raffle tickets as compensation, takes some more cash for membership, and then vanishes off the radar of anyone in the Pac NW except for all the people living up in Washington. I haven't heard a peep from them since WCSS3, just like it was after WCSS2. I don't think any of us in Oregon have. And we're F!@#$)*g next door.

I have been sitting on my tail down here wondering if I should be concerned that PNWSEC was turning into a local Washington club with a lot of big talk. Well, if what I'm hearing here is any indication, that's exactly what's going on and I'm not about to sit here any more in silence.

I've paid for memberships for me and Carrie for two years running, at WCSS2 we did what we could to help, at WCSS3 Carrie was in the booth helping to count votes in that completely fubared voting where nobody knew what class what vehicle was in, that frustrated those trying to give out the awards and make everyone happy. And between WCSS2 and WCSS3 I was banging on the door of Chris Bradshaw, the service manager at CARR Subaru in Beaverton, which is the BIGGEST Subie dealer in the US at last count, trying to get him interested in WCSS and in talking to Jamie and the whole nine.

And oh yeah, last year when you hit the booth at WCSS3 what it boiled down to is that if you were there you were paying a membership fee and an ORV park fee. I intended to do that all along but I was a bit perturbed that folks didn't appear to have a real choice to just pay the ORV fee and a "show fee" or whatever and not pay something PNWSEC-specific.

Let me remind you that WCSS1 was in OREGON. For those of you who think it's immobile or that it's always been in WA and this is some kind of attempt to uproot the way it's "always been," guess again. It moved once, it can move again. I don't know when this became something that lived in the northwestmost corner of Washington. It seems to me that the real issue here is that some people want it stuck in WA so that THEY don't have to get off THEIR butts and drive. Let me tell you something-- I drove 3 hours north to WCSS2 and to WCSS3. I will happily drive 3 hours south or east all the same. What I'm saying here is that some consideration needs to be given to some folks other than the residents of Washington State. And if that means I'm driving to CA instead, fine, but this attitude that it lives in Washington and the rest of us are just chattel to pull some cash out of is pissing me off.

I'll be damned if I sit here and let somebody talk to me like I've got no ground to stand on just because he likes the park where it is because it personally suits him just fine.

There are people outside of WA-- people all the way down to California-- and the further away they are the more thought they deserve. But since that kind of thinking apparently doesn't work in this discussion, let's just call it the Washington Subaru Show and be done with it.

After listening to all this junk you know what? I may just be at WCSS4. But I'll be damned before PNWSEC gets any more money or help out of me. Since the whole point is to be in Washington for Washingtonians and screw the rest of us if we don't like it, then maybe you should get your damned funding and help on your own and ace the false advertising to those of us who don't live up there. And in the meantime, I will probably make it my business to let anyone down here know that maybe they should take a look at this thread to see what the real scoop is. I don't have to say any more. You guys are doing just fine sticking your feet in your mouths and making it plain on your own.

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 10:32 AM

It does sort of end up in the same area.. I think the decision was more because the park had a little something for everyone, and it was the about the biggest anyone could find with adequate parking/ camping.. Now granted I cant see my and my family going to So Cal but I wouldnt mind going to Areas in Idaho and Oregon. To me it isnt all about the cars, I liked going and talking to people and playin aound thats what got me there last year.. I am not a member of PNWSEC and probably wont be so it doesnt really matter to me one way or the other.. Email Ken with some of the parks that you think would be worthy of our company. He isnt going to just add it to a stack of request he will do his homework, its like a challenge to him.. You have to know how he likes a challenge.
Just my 2 bits on the subject.


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Posted 01 February 2002 - 11:33 AM

I wasn't able to make it last year, and won't be able to this year either (sometimes the Nat. Guard sux). But I did make it to WCSS2, I live way down here in Oregon, (about 45 min from the Cal. boarder)), I thought the drive was kinda nice. There was a post about this about a month or so ago. Ken talked on the T.C. ORV park, we have it reserved till basically the end of time for the same weekend every year. Although it isn't the only place that we can go. In 2 years I'm going to be getting out of the guard. Ken said that if someone else was willing to do the organization, and get everything together, then we could hold it on a different weekend, at a different place. I've already got a place in mind down here, and the weekend for it, it's just waiting untill I get out, and have the time and everything to do the organization. I'm trying not to ramble here, but this early, it seems thats all thats coming out. Basically I'm saying that we all shouldn't fight and argue about this, this IS about people getting together for a common goal, to have fun, meet new people, talk about the one thing that draws so many of us together. Catch ya Laters.

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Posted 01 February 2002 - 11:38 AM

Hey guys, I've never been to a subaru meet. Id sure like to go to one. Yea sure it would be nice if it were closer to where I live but that's the breaks. I live in Bryce Canyon Natl. Park in southern Utah. And I'm thinking it would be great to drive anywhere to meet with other people who love subarus too.

I've driven subarus in the early1990's (the late '70s models were the cheapest but the best car to drive up in Big Bear, Ca.) and now I'm stuck on the '80s models.

I just want to be able to drive some place nice in my subaru and have a good time. So please help out where you can (I will if I can, just ask me) to get this subaru meet set up and going so people will know When and Where it will be at so they can make plans.

I'm not complaining, I've never been to a subaru meet. But it sure sounds like everyone had a good time at the last one. Lets just forget the problems of the last meet and try to remember all the fun you guys had last year. From listening to all of you talk about all the fun that you had there last year, I sure want to be able to make it up to this years meet, I want to have some fun too in my subaru........

My wife, my kids, and me LOVE driving our lil '84 subaru Brat GL. We loved it driving our Gen1 brat when we had it up in Big Bear,Ca. Our kids would fight over who would get to ride in the back even in the freezing snow. And where ever we were going they would be yelling to go off roading, an you know what, at 15 and 17 they are still the same if not more so.

So Please keep me posted here as to what the place and time will be for the next subaru meet, wherever it is going to be at.

Chris, Linda, Shawn, an FeaLynn
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at: bratcrazyus@yahoo.com or: klinetaz@scinternet.net

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