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Posted 31 January 2002 - 05:42 PM
Posted 31 January 2002 - 08:30 PM
Posted 31 January 2002 - 09:06 PM
Posted 31 January 2002 - 09:39 PM
I wish they'd have it earlier in the summer though... *shrug*
Posted 31 January 2002 - 09:45 PM
Posted 31 January 2002 - 10:14 PM
Posted 31 January 2002 - 10:31 PM
Posted 31 January 2002 - 10:36 PM
I didn't mind driving up there, and frankly I think the ORV was a pretty nice location. But I *am* pointing out that if this is a West Coast show put on by an organization that is Pacific-Northwest wide, it needs to be handled as such. If, on the other hand, this is a Washington show put on by a Washington club and the rest of the planet just happens to be invited, well, I'll shut my mouth.
And before anybody shoots me down as a rabble rouser with nothing to offer, I've been hanging around PNWSEC for awhile-- not as tight as some, perhaps, but definitely here-- I brought my grill and charcoal to WCSS2 to help prepare food for the masses, and I was at WCSS3-- and offering support when I could. This is not armchair quarterbacking, it's a legitimate question.
Posted 31 January 2002 - 11:16 PM
Posted 31 January 2002 - 11:25 PM
DL 88 Wagon
Posted 31 January 2002 - 11:25 PM
Posted 31 January 2002 - 11:35 PM
I didn't get to go last year as I had JUST bought my soob, but I heard that it was a ton and a half of fun. I'm going to be sure to make it this year though
- Erik -
Posted 01 February 2002 - 12:08 AM
Posted 01 February 2002 - 12:34 AM
Posted 01 February 2002 - 12:52 AM
Posted 01 February 2002 - 12:54 AM
Again, I like the ORV-- but if WCSS is becoming a Washington event by a Washington club then let's just call it what it is so the rest of us out-of-state folks aren't sitting here thinking we actually have something to offer about it other than driving north.
I like the idea of more than one (the more the better!) but the logistics, particularly in terms of vendor participation, would likely make it an impossibility (at least if one expected both events to have the same scale as previous events). The sheer size of WCSS pretty much makes it a once-a-year event. Start having little mini-WCSSes for the sake of keeping it/one in Washington and you'll have a mini-WCSS in OR, and a mini-WCSS in CA... and probably no big WCSS. Or at least that's my bet.
Posted 01 February 2002 - 01:31 AM
Posted 01 February 2002 - 02:58 AM
But as for location, it's not THAT much of a drive for me, like 190 miles or so, but there ARE some other off-road areas in Oregon we could have it at, theres a HUGE off-road park, forget the name of it but Mudrat79 has a map of it, out in Eastern Oregon, but then again eastern oregon is HOT in August.. Well not Arizona hot but hotter than Washington :-)
Just my .02..
Posted 01 February 2002 - 04:03 AM
Posted 01 February 2002 - 08:51 AM
Posted 01 February 2002 - 09:47 AM
You know what? The only "squabbling" I'm hearing is from the people whose attitude is "hey, we're in Washington and we like it up here so the whole lot of you can come to us or shut up." So much for it being "West Coast." Pile of crap. I'll bear it in mind next time PNWSEC asks me to fork over cash for membership, disappears and has no communication, doesn't send what they say they're going to, shows up the next year asking for more with stories of someone who snatched the money and ran, offers raffle tickets as compensation, takes some more cash for membership, and then vanishes off the radar of anyone in the Pac NW except for all the people living up in Washington. I haven't heard a peep from them since WCSS3, just like it was after WCSS2. I don't think any of us in Oregon have. And we're F!@#$)*g next door.
I have been sitting on my tail down here wondering if I should be concerned that PNWSEC was turning into a local Washington club with a lot of big talk. Well, if what I'm hearing here is any indication, that's exactly what's going on and I'm not about to sit here any more in silence.
I've paid for memberships for me and Carrie for two years running, at WCSS2 we did what we could to help, at WCSS3 Carrie was in the booth helping to count votes in that completely fubared voting where nobody knew what class what vehicle was in, that frustrated those trying to give out the awards and make everyone happy. And between WCSS2 and WCSS3 I was banging on the door of Chris Bradshaw, the service manager at CARR Subaru in Beaverton, which is the BIGGEST Subie dealer in the US at last count, trying to get him interested in WCSS and in talking to Jamie and the whole nine.
And oh yeah, last year when you hit the booth at WCSS3 what it boiled down to is that if you were there you were paying a membership fee and an ORV park fee. I intended to do that all along but I was a bit perturbed that folks didn't appear to have a real choice to just pay the ORV fee and a "show fee" or whatever and not pay something PNWSEC-specific.
Let me remind you that WCSS1 was in OREGON. For those of you who think it's immobile or that it's always been in WA and this is some kind of attempt to uproot the way it's "always been," guess again. It moved once, it can move again. I don't know when this became something that lived in the northwestmost corner of Washington. It seems to me that the real issue here is that some people want it stuck in WA so that THEY don't have to get off THEIR butts and drive. Let me tell you something-- I drove 3 hours north to WCSS2 and to WCSS3. I will happily drive 3 hours south or east all the same. What I'm saying here is that some consideration needs to be given to some folks other than the residents of Washington State. And if that means I'm driving to CA instead, fine, but this attitude that it lives in Washington and the rest of us are just chattel to pull some cash out of is pissing me off.
I'll be damned if I sit here and let somebody talk to me like I've got no ground to stand on just because he likes the park where it is because it personally suits him just fine.
There are people outside of WA-- people all the way down to California-- and the further away they are the more thought they deserve. But since that kind of thinking apparently doesn't work in this discussion, let's just call it the Washington Subaru Show and be done with it.
After listening to all this junk you know what? I may just be at WCSS4. But I'll be damned before PNWSEC gets any more money or help out of me. Since the whole point is to be in Washington for Washingtonians and screw the rest of us if we don't like it, then maybe you should get your damned funding and help on your own and ace the false advertising to those of us who don't live up there. And in the meantime, I will probably make it my business to let anyone down here know that maybe they should take a look at this thread to see what the real scoop is. I don't have to say any more. You guys are doing just fine sticking your feet in your mouths and making it plain on your own.
Posted 01 February 2002 - 10:32 AM
Just my 2 bits on the subject.
Posted 01 February 2002 - 11:33 AM
Posted 01 February 2002 - 11:38 AM
I've driven subarus in the early1990's (the late '70s models were the cheapest but the best car to drive up in Big Bear, Ca.) and now I'm stuck on the '80s models.
I just want to be able to drive some place nice in my subaru and have a good time. So please help out where you can (I will if I can, just ask me) to get this subaru meet set up and going so people will know When and Where it will be at so they can make plans.
I'm not complaining, I've never been to a subaru meet. But it sure sounds like everyone had a good time at the last one. Lets just forget the problems of the last meet and try to remember all the fun you guys had last year. From listening to all of you talk about all the fun that you had there last year, I sure want to be able to make it up to this years meet, I want to have some fun too in my subaru........
My wife, my kids, and me LOVE driving our lil '84 subaru Brat GL. We loved it driving our Gen1 brat when we had it up in Big Bear,Ca. Our kids would fight over who would get to ride in the back even in the freezing snow. And where ever we were going they would be yelling to go off roading, an you know what, at 15 and 17 they are still the same if not more so.
So Please keep me posted here as to what the place and time will be for the next subaru meet, wherever it is going to be at.
Chris, Linda, Shawn, an FeaLynn
Bryce Canyon Natl. Park, Utah
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