nighthawk2006
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WOW. You know your stuff man. I appreciate this response. Did you have to get custom fabrication done for the plumbing then?Very few parts interchange. Some gaskets, the crankshaft, rods, and bearings (though none are worth having if you are in that far).... that's about it. The turbo specific plumbing parts that are plastic and rubber will all be shot and you can't buy the majority of them anymore. Which means you have to replace with custom made stainless tubing and silicone couplers if you want it any kind of right and have close to the factory tight bends, etc. VF11 turbos are pretty tough to find in good shape so you'll likely end up getting a TD04 from a WRX which requires plumbing changes and tuning which the only viable option for currently is ESL in the UK. A complete ESL setup with JDM EJ20G ECU to run it is around $1000 plus whatever you pay for the laptop to interface it and then you have to find a tuner that's willing to learn a completely new tuning environment just for you since he will likely never do another one..... a turbocharger upgrade will run typically into the thousands because everything is custom and very few people build these cars.
That's just one of many paths that owners of these cars typically go down. I should know - I've had a 91 SS for about 10 years.
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which parts in particular? And I'm assuming you can't use any parts from the na version of the motor?They are getting very hard to get parts for. It is not a cheap vehicle to maintain - you'll end up wanting to upgrade it and it's not quite like a WRX. There are ways to do it but it's not any cheaper than a WRX and starts off quite a bit slower. That's really high mileage - I would find a lower mileage example and remember - a turbo car this old is a project car. You better have something else to drive that's reliable.
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You don't have to pull engine. But it's faster in my experience, at least for a manual.
These legacy turbos are automatic. What would be the process to remove heads without the engine pull?
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did you have to pull the engine to do it as well?EJ22s were not usually prone to failure of the HGs. I don't know as much about the turbos. But they are cake to replace. Don't even have to pull the valve covers. I've done headgaskets on non turbo EJ22s start to finish in a day.
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damn that's a ton of miles. I'm obsessed with these older subies. I wonder how much longer the head gaskets will hold out forJust more so. Anytime you add a turbo, you'll bring the reliability down some. There's a reason this one is closing in on 300k and still running fine. I'd rather buy a high miles car thats been cared for than a 80,000 mile car that trashed/beat up. My wife's first outback was bought at 275k. We sold it a few years later at 382k. (still running as well as ever)
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Depends on why you are buying it.
If you are looking for good, reliable, long term transportation - no. Get a naturally aspirated Subaru for half the price that will last as long with cheaper maintenance.
If you're wanting something blazing fast for fun at the track - no. These were zippy but not powerhouses. You can get the same HP from an EJ25 or far more from an EG33 or EZ30 equipped subaru. (Again with cheaper maintenance costs)
If you appreciate the uniqueness and relative scarcity of the turbo legacy and want to drive one of the few remaining that isn't rusted out or beat to death - yes. There's value in driving what you love. Most of us hobbyists like our vehicles to be unique and stand out from the crowd. Whether visually or performance wise. Lifted, lowered, turbo, H6 swaps, WRX powered brats. It's a big part of why this forum exists and has such helpful and loyal members. WE LOVE THESE CARS.
If this is a car you can fall in love with and spend a little more to purchase/maintain - go for it. There aren't many left. They're good cars. Turbos are fun. This one looks clean.
Beautiful write up! I appreciate the time! Is thay to say this model is unreliable overall? Or just more so than the NA model?
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So i have been looking into legacy turbos for a while and came across thishttps://boulder.craigslist.org/cto/6031023876.html Obviously this price is way to high considering the miles. But what does everyone here think? The timing belt , water pump, and pulleys were changed 40k ago. He said the headgaskets have not been done yet. Anyone have any experience with high mileage legacy turbos? Any advice or things to look out for would be greatly appreciated!
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I just bought a 96 OBW with 350,xxx on it. Still runs strong.
WHAT. No way! Is it the legacy outback?
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The 2.2 will blow HG's around 300k typically. They just wear out. Perfect maintenance will not stop it.
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Is it common for them to blow out earlier on the 2.2 turbo models? Im Really interested in those but haven't heard much about them.
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Sorry to hear about your Loyale, nighthawk. If you still have the old girl maybe we can do an ej22 swap someday! I'm down to help! Good luck on finding a first generation turbo legacy, those are really cool cars! When you get one you have to get a lowering kit, those cars look super cool when they are slammed! I have seen a handful of them on Craigslist around Colorado.
If the car gods are good to you, maybe you can find another turbo leggo that has been wrecked or something but has a good turbo ej for your Loyale!
Cheers man
I actually sold it! I would have loved to do it, just a time and money thing. I dont know much about the legacy turbos, Any known issues with them?
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Coming up on 300k probably in a couple weeks.
298,8xx
I was going to post about going over 300k for info from those with such experience. Don't think I'm competing. This is a cool post too.
damn what a beast! I think high mileage cars are awesome hah!
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The issue was resolved in 2010. Use of the 770 gaskets will fix engines back to 2000. For engines prior to that you must change pistons to use the new gasket.
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damn thats crazy, i bet thats a pricey fix to slap in some new pistons and gaskets on a older subie.
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mine has 216,000 on the ej22 in a 98 body with 264,000 the ej25 i pulled from it had its 3rd blown head gasket from what i was told by its last owner
Im so confused as to how the 2.5 headgasket is still a issue. Do the newer 2.5's still have this issue?
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Yup that's us! She named her car Ragnar but I call her the baby lion :-)
Kevin told me that you ordered the 2" lift kit for your loyale, very nice indeed!
Check out these pics of us 4 wheeling at guenella pass!
http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/162350-high-centered-gl-beast-in-the-snow/
Hell yeah! The loyale died! bummer out. looking for a 91-94 subaru legacy turbo now. I hear they are great!
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My 96 has 315,000 without problems! IMHO the ej22 is best in an 80s body :-)
My girls 86 GL has an ej22 with nearly 200,000 miles, the last 1500 or so in the GL and I simply love that car
Did i meet you? I think you are neighbors with my buddy Kevin! Is your girls the lifted red one?
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Mine is at 246k right now.
Had a couple over 300. Wifes ej25 sohc went to 382k with us and as far as i know is still driving with the new owner.
I know a couole of postal/delivery subarus have topped half a million.
damn even the 2.5 liter went that long? I thought those were some of the less reliable ones?
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I am getting pretty surprised by how many high milage ej22's I'm seeing. When my 06 WRX just passed 100k and my dads 96 legacy outback that had almost 270k was running better than mine, i started wondering what was going on with these engines! How many miles do you guys have on your EJ22's? Super curious!
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The pcv valve is on the back of the intake manifold about under the throttle body. You definitely need another diagnosis. I've been driving and maintaining ea82 spfi wagons since 1988.
So this sounds like it's not a pvc valve to you?
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He's right - ring land failure is not an EA82 failure mode. That's the realm of EJ255's and EJ257's (WRX, STi, etc)
If oil got all the way into the airbox..... well I would say something is dreadfully wrong somewhere. Start with the crankcase breather hoses and PCV, etc.
I agree the shop didn't want to work on it or just have no clue what they are doing (more likely). At my shop we occasionally work on EA81's and EA82's but only because we all owned them back in the day so we have the knowledge and tools. Most shops just see an old car and a customer that likely has no money to fix it. Not to say that all EA owners are like that but shops will judge it that way due to it's age and perceived (lack of) value in general.
This is really the kind of car you should learn to work on yourself. That's what things like this forum are for. Don't buy into the learned helplessness of your peers.
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You are awesome. Also Matt 167 you are awesome too. I decided to make a appointment to get a second opinion at a subaru specialty shop. I would love it if i could keep this car going for years to come! Also is the PCV valve hard to change?
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They don't have a clue. A stuck pcv or over filled oil could do same thing.
That's an " I can't be bothered to work on that " diagnosis
Really? I had researched a bit and heard about the pcv. I did get an oil change and put engine treatment in it after too. Maybe i filled it up to much? Also is the pcv hard to get check for?
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Ring land failure on a SPFI EA82 in a Loyale? I find that highly unlikely. It also woudn't just shut off. More likely a timing belt broke or the screw holding the rotor inside the distributor fell out.
So when the car broke down and i tried to start it back up, it would turn on but the revs would drop right away and shut off. After further investigation i looking in the air box and saw the filter was saturated in oil. So when i get it towed to the mechanic they told me the MAF was covered in oil, and thats why the car shut off. But they eluded to the fact that it was most likely ring land failure and i would need a new engine.
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I love them. I had a 2.2T legacy and have been in love ever since. As a matter of fact, found another one that had been in the family of the people I bought it from and have transferred it into my Brat. Bought the whole car for $500 and the transmission was gone. Automatic, but I didn't care because I was going manual. I drove the car onto the trailer. It had 170,000 miles but I rebuilt it anyway. They are great strong motors and I really like them.
Thats great to know. Are the transmissions on the autos suspect?
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Well after finding a great loyale (so i thought) im on the hunt for another old subie. I had the car inspected and it got a clean bill of health. But early on Friday morning around 6:10 in the morning the car just shut off and left me stranded. After paying a tow truck and a local garage some $ they diagnosed the car with ring land failure. Definitely a bummer! Maybe i should have done a compression test? Any ways im back on the hunt. Now im looking back into the first gen legacies. Looking more into the legacy turbos as i don't want to deal with hounding people if they have a receipt for the clutch being replaces. How do all of you like your legacy turbos? Any major issues? Some are for sale on craigs list where i live and have relatively low miles. Definitely considering it. Thanks to everyone in advance!
How many Mileage you got on your EJ22?
in 1990 to Present Legacy, Impreza, Outback, Forester, Baja, WRX&WrxSTI, SVX
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https://boulder.craigslist.org/cto/6050125812.html This seems like a good option. All i would want to know is when the timing belt was done last.