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#1 tmonkey51

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 07:08 PM

http://sfbay.craigsl...1259270952.html
Pre subaru? This guys been selling this thing for a long time. Conversion to ea82? It is a 2 door wagon, I like those. Any history buffs in the crowd?

#2 kiwi subbie

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 10:30 PM

Not quite....

Subaru Did not use the hansa flat 4 motor....
How ever they did buy the rights to the Lloyd 900 Arabella motor.
Karl Borgward owned about 3 different companys.
Borgward
Lloyd
Hansa/Goliath
All 3 operated seprately
The newer Lloyd 900 was going to use a hansa engine but they they relised it was to big and wouldnt fit.
So they designed a brand new block from scratch.

Im gussing a ea82 could fit in to it but I do not any one who has done it

#3 kiwi subbie

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 10:35 PM

Pics of Borgward / Lloyd 900 Arabella

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#4 Kostamojen

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 12:06 AM

Wow, that is pretty similar to an early EA engine.

Not exactly similar of course, but the layout is damn similar!

#5 kiwi subbie

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 01:54 AM

Wow, that is pretty similar to an early EA engine.

Not exactly similar of course, but the layout is damn similar!


Yeas they do.
I like to get a borgward Arabella ( Thats what the Lloyd 900 was sold here under ).
When ever this question get asked I try put people straight on the subject :)

People think subaru brought the the rights to its engine thru VW, Porsche, Jowett, Hansa:lol:

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 02:41 AM

Subaru looked at a lot of flat engines in the 1960s before releasing the FF-1, even the Chev Corvair. However, there was never any sharing of intellectual property. Subaru looked at the other manufacturers engines before building one of their own design.

That was pretty much the standard pattern for Japanese firms in the 1960s.

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 02:51 AM

Subaru looked at a lot of flat engines in the 1960s before releasing the FF-1, even the Chev Corvair. However, there was never any sharing of intellectual property. Subaru looked at the other manufacturers engines before building one of their own design.

That was pretty much the standard pattern for Japanese firms in the 1960s.


Subaru did buy the rights to the Arabella 38 900cc engine
They did improve on the design of it though.

Edited by kiwi subbie, 12 July 2009 - 03:01 AM.


#8 Leeroy

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 02:48 AM

Subaru did buy the rights to the Arabella 38 900cc engine
They did improve on the design of it though.



We will have to agree to disagree on this point!

Both engines are quite different in design (apart from being boxers or flat fours, of course. Quadrozontal anyone :grin:). Just one example is the position of the camshaft. In the Arabella engine the camshaft is located above the crankshaft, while in a Subaru it is mounted underneath.

My understanding is Fuji Heavy acknowledged they 'looked' at the Arabella but never brought the rights to the engine.

#9 kiwi subbie

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 04:13 AM

Actually We do have some info here reguarding the fact that hey did use it.
Got to find it 1st tho lol :)




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