Oldeman

Just an update, I found a relay locally and put it in just now. Seems to work better but only time will tell. When I first went out to work on it, it started just fine but the other day it started for about 10 seconds and then died, hadn't tried again until today. That relay was a bugger to get to, shed some blood. Those engineers need to work on their cars after they design them. I'd bet that they would design them to be easier to work on. I thank all of you for your help, I couldn't have done it without you help.

celebz Thanks for the pic, now I know what I am looking for. Priced one at the dealer this morning and about had another heart attack, $44+. Do you have any idea where I might find one cheaper???? Now I have to go out and find the relay see if MAYBE the contacts are dirty. I'll let you know if I find it and if I can fix it. Thanks to everyon

That is what I'm thinking. Tomorrow I will disassemble the car until I find that relay. Hopefully, the nice guy that said he would post a pic will do so, that way I will know what I am looking for. I will keep everyone posted on my progress and cure. Thanks again

rallyruss, I think that you have given me the idea that I need. As I said, when it doesn't start because the FP isn't pumping, I can run a hot wire to the pump and it runs so that kind of rules out the pump being bac or having a bad spot because even after I run it with the hot wire, it still won't pump until it gets good and ready. I've checked the fuses in the kick panel, drivers side, and these are all good. That kind of narrows it down to the relay or a fuse that I can't find or (God forbid) the ECU. Do you think that I am right in my thinking? Thanks

calebz, thanks for that info and no, I don't know what one looks like and would like a pic of one. rallyruss, I'm not sure where it powers from but it does try to start when the fuel pump is not working. I can use ether and get it to run. I thought about holding a plug wire when trying to start it but that might be too shocking. <G> Not to mention that my arms are not long enough. GoldDiggerRoo, I already have a theft prevention switch that won't let the starter work when activated but it is a good idea. Thanks for all of the good ideas and help.

I have gotten under the dash several times and I can only find one relay and according to the Chiltons, there should be two there. As I said, it is driving me nuts, may drive me back to drinking. <G> Thanks folks. I may try running a wire direct from the coil to the pump, bypassing that @$$%$# computer. As you might have guessed, I HATE computers, probably because I play (?) with them everyday. Is there a cable available to interface with my laptop that will tell me EXACTLY what is wrong??? Thanks again

I really appreciate the quick responses. I have checked the fuel pump by direct wiring it and it worked fine. I bought a Chilton book on it and inspite of reading it several times, I still can't find the relay. I found two relays under the hood passenger side. Both the same so I swapped them, no difference. It's driving me nutter than it already has. Thanks.

My first post, just found this forum. I have a 92 Sub Loyale wagon that has a problem that nobody can seem to cure so I'm turning here for help. 95 % of the time, it starts just fine, BUT for some reason it will sometimes not start due to the fuel pump not activiting. After it sits for a few hours, it'll start just fine. When it doesn't start I can't hear the fuel pump. After sitting for awhile, I turn the key on and I hear the fuel pump pumping and it starts and runs just fine. I've had the car for several years but this just started a few months ago and I've taken it to several mechanics and they just scratch their heads. On a side note, the "check engine" light will come on after a mile or so, sometimes it glows steady and sometimes it flashes. It has about 133,000 on the clock, carries great oil pressure, runs great AFTER I get it running. I would appreciate any help that any of you can give me. Thanks