thank you all for the suggestions some i can use some others i cant. You see i like to surf fish and take the forester out on the beach, and it does an awsome job in the sand, and i also like the raised eyebrows from other surf fisherman with bigger 4wd. I have a 180 mi trip to the beach, one way that is , and take the forester out on the beach all day I'll get about 23 mpg, that with the drive to the beach on 95% highway, thats not bad cause driving in the sand is like draggin a full size pick up behind you on the road. I guess i struggle with the whole gas milage thing with any car, when we can send a craft to mars and control it from earth there is no reason a chevy suburban shouldnt get 50 mpg, it just big oil co. screwing the little guy.