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well alias, you certainly make an exhaustive argument, and convincing. I have to admit I had been adhering to the practice less from experience than outdate(?) advice, which apparently is not applicable to newer/late model cars. I think I'll forward this to the my other half and see what she thinks. I for one don't need a remote started, especially if it needs to be tied in to the alarm, ignition, etc. Thanks for the information.

That's good to hear, I'll order one and hopefully will find a locksmith who can cut it. Thanks.

Thanks for the reply everyone. I looked at the designtech site and there are a few options to review. alias20035 I agree with the points you've outline to a certain degree: Whether the car is started by remote or by key it's points #1, 3, 4, apply just the same. Point 2 may be true but I understand that warming up the engine increase the life of the engine as opposed to going from a 20 degree engine block to 30mph (metals are more brittle when cold) And the amount of fuel to have a cold engine move the car I would think is no more than letting the engine warm for 7mins. nevertheless, it's her decision but hopefully the price and hassle will be a deterent enough.

Hey, Does anyone know if the STI key plate is compatiable with a 2000 outback. (for know it's the closest I'll get to feeling like I'm behind the wheel of a 300hp WRX, besides it looks really nice.) Thanks.

I have a '00 Outback 5spd. With winter soon upon us, the wifey wants to get an automatic/remote engine starter so the car will time to warm-up. The problem she has only been able to find them for automatic transmission, does anyone know of one that will work with manual transmission. Particularly the Outback since you have to depress the clutch pedal to start the engine. Thanks.