2Cor6.9-10

Well Here is some helpful info for you 2Cor6.9-10 (don't forget to read 1 Cor. 6.9-11 as well): After some time google searching you'll find that subaru doesn't offer a 14" 4 lug but after more time searching you find Peugeot wheels fit though they are impossible to find. After more search time you'll find that some recommend a six lug redrill to fit japanese 4x4 wheels with a 6x140 pattern w/ a 24mm offset while others say the cost of axles is to cheap to bother so they recommend an axle swap. With some more internet searching you'll find that an axle swap is complicated and costly so you may want to stick 13" tires. With more time searching and calling you'll also find that wider tires only increase traction on dry pavement, they may decrease traction in snow or wet conditions. Having been where you are and aquired the information that folks like you want, I'm glad I could save others like yourself hours of searching. http://offroadingsubarus.com/superlite_brumby_wheels.html http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/47998-5-lug-conversion-list-plus-tips/

Hi friends, I have an 86 gl wagon; it has the original 13" 4 lug wheels and I would like to get 14". What vehicle has the 14 wheel that will fit? Any advise about switching the speedometer cable to accomodate 14's will be welcome.

I have to say, I really appreciate the detailed step by step instructions. I'm not offended by dumbing it down. When you do something a lot it is easy to overlook instructions that you do naturally. I'll try to make a "timing belts for dummies" videos with all the details included. I'm a fan of white out though those with plenty of experience probably don't need it. You guys truly help anyone to be a "do it yourself" person. About messing with the distributor, that's for adjusting ignition timing but not cam timing, right? I'm not sure how to know if the ignition timing needs adjusting, I assume once I fix the cam timing if there is any backfire then the ignition timing needs adjusting?

Thanks Miles. Currently I'm looking at a 90 Loyale and an 89 gl for donor cars. When I get into it, I'll post pics and videos.

Don't leave me hanging, Moosen. I may not be the only one wondering how much your power was enhanced and your fuel efficiency suffered (if any).

I'd like to add power steering to my 86 gl wagon. Which parts are better to buy new (cooler, pump) and which are safe to pull from a parts car? Is there a short list of parts I'll need. I'm guessing I already have rack and pinion and that would not need to be switched out.?

Thanks Wentz and MilesFox. Wentz, go to o'reilly homepage and under "add vehicle" add an 86 subaru gl and you will see the engine options. http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/home.oap Here is the belt kit: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/CLO0/BK299/03978.oap?year=1986&make=Subaru&model=GL&vi=1268423&******=Search_timing+kit_03978_1268423_-1&keyword=timing+kit&pt=03978&ppt=C0141 Here is the timing cover gasket set: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BA00/0380228/02309.oap?year=1986&make=Subaru&model=GL&vi=1268423&******=Search_timing_C1955_1268423_-1&keyword=timing&pt=C1955&ppt=C0026

For some reason the sohc is not an option listed with 2bbl. So I just went with the 2bbl ohv and assumed it would work. Since there is no need for the covers, I suppose I will not bother buying the timing cover seal/gasket set. Thanks

Thank you again Scoob and Wentz for excellent info. and instructions. And thank you to CrankyAl for the thread.

I'm changing my belts as well (86 gl wagon). I'd like to hitch-hike on this thread rather than starting a new timing belt thread; I hope you don't mind. Are the two belts identical, so I could just buy 2 of the same belt (I'm finding a lot of belts online; don't know if they are the same)? When trying to select the correct belts I see these engine options for the 1.8L: a vin 4 2BBL OHV, a vin 4 TBI SOHC, a vin 5 2BBL OHV, or a vin 5 TBI SOHC. Which vin # is it referring to and how do I find out if mine is 2BBL or TBI and OHV or SOHC? Is it standard to replace the idler sprocket and tensioners or only if they are damaged? Is it standard to replace the timing cover gaskets/seals and cam gaskets/seals or only if leaks are found? Any specialty tools required besides a pipe/breakerbar? Thank you

I've since come up with some reliable data for that. The answer is, "all the way to the bottom". Here are a couple of good videos I found: That's a nice looking ride. No lift and still sufficient room for the 14's.

Nice work, djellum. I'm glad you did it so I didn't have to use my car for the test. Next I'd like to find out how far a gl can jump before an axle brakes. Can you get me that by the morning? Considering the info. I may try a 1 to 1.5" lift and I'll keep some 14" wheels and tires around for long trips. How big of a tire can you go before you are in danger of rubbing (particularly got to watch the sharp turns)?

Good info. Thanks for the link djellum. I'll be doing interstate driving and I hoped to do 75mph like the other cars on the interstate without my engine running 3400rpms. Even a 500rmp reduction adds up real fast (500 rev.s per minute is 30,000 less per hour; one 5 hour trip adds up to 150,000 less engine rev.s = less wear on rings, cam, valves, cylinders, etc). However, if the gl is made for continued high rpms (over 3000 for hours at a time) and endures much more engine wear, then so be it. I'll have to drive at 75mph for a few hours and make sure my fuel efficiency doesn't plummet to the low 20's and my engine doesn't blow. I'll look into a Loyale. I'd hate to let the little car go but it may not be the best fit for my needs. I've had a numbers of offers to buy it though I've never attempted to sell it.

Nice work! Please tell me where you found that so I can compare some other makes/models.

Thank you, men. Naru, that's a very handy bit of info. to know. If that's true, even the 3.54 would only bring the rpms down to 2700 at 65mph (not much difference). Which leaves me wondering why some gl (maybe just the gl-10's) are getting lower RPM's at 60mph. Maybe it is an overdrive 5th gear like Scoob. mentioned (if I understand scoob. correctly the gl10 5sp is not the same trans. as the gl 5sp. (different 5th gear and different spines)). Anyone know the model #'s of gl and gl10 5sp trans? Also, is the gl 5th gear an overdrive or straight through? If the trans. is the difference maker then I'd say it would be easier to switch my engine to a gl10 car than to switch a gl10 drive train to my gl. Maybe, like Djellum mentioned, they are using larger tires to get the lower rpms. It's true you can take off about 500RPM's or more with larger tires. My current tire (185/70/13 - 70.68" circumference) turns 896.43 times to travel one mile (at 60mph that means 896.43 per minute which = about 2900rpms in 5th. So in 5th gear the engine is spinning 3.24 rev.s per wheel turn. So, to do the same distance at 2500rpms I would need to cover 25.35" per engine rev. 25.35 times 3.24 = 82.11" circumference tire would be needed which is 26.14" in diameter (which is 3.4" more diameter or 1.7" more radius than my current tires). That wouldn't be hard to do but would it need a 1" lift to avoid rubbing the frame and fenders when turning (the gl has a nice tight turning radius)? If any lower than 2500rpms at 60mph, I would be concerned that the engine couldn't pull it (possibly why it would only be found on turbo models or larger engines).

Thanks Turbo. Sometimes I get some conflicting info. but that's to be expected; it's alright cause it all offers ideas to look up; it'll sort out and I'll get what I need and readers may learn something new too. You're right about the gears. I need higher (higher gears but lower number - probably 3.7 or maybe 3.54). Maybe someone who runs these gears will spot this thread and give some feedback. Hopefully I'll find out which years/makes/models ran these, whether the gears/diff.s are compatible with my gl (very likely when dealing with Subarus), and what effect they have on 5th gear rpm's. I hope to get some pics up of the car, the engine, and the diff.s soon.

Good info. Thanks djellum for your tire size info. Did you mean you increased your tires 3" in circumference or diameter or radius? My tires are about 22.5" diameter/11.25" radius/70.68" circumference. My gear change interest is more about lowering RPM's (don't want to hurt my fuel economy though). I'm not concerned that my 0-60 time will decrease. If anyone has changed gears or driven mid 80's 5sp subarus with different gears (3.54/3.7/3.9/???), I'd like to know the rpm differences you experienced. Mikaleda, about your 90 legacy 2.2, is that a 2.2 liter engine? Turbo or non? 5sp or auto.? Do you know what gears it runs? As for the engine numbers and the carb., I hope to check today. I need to know so that I order the correct timing chain/belt/belts. When I replaced the distributor cap the parts store had options for carburetor or FI with the 86 gl Fwd/4wd non-turbo 5sp wagon.

Thank you, Mikaleda. You got a turbo or just the gl like mine? I've heard about the 6 lug re-drills and I may do the larger tires but they don't seem to reduce highway rpm's. With larger tires I would get more inches of travel per turn of the engine but with a gear change I would get more turns of the wheels per turn of the engine. I'm aware that it isn't nearly as easy as a tire change. Not a prob. though. I'll check on the carb. I've heard about the webers but I'm probably not going to upgrade power right now (I'll daydream about what turbo would do). When I find the engine I.D. what numbers distinguish the 81 from the 82? That's right about the timing belt/chain; I'm planning on changing it in a couple of weeks. Scoob, I checked on a 90 loyale and noticed someone stating the same issue - 3000 rpms at 60. Could be that some of the other models did better. Thanks for the info. boys. All this aside, I really like the little soob. Someday I hope to put the 4wd to a small test (at that time I'm sure I'll prefer the larger tires and maybe even a 2" lift and a brush guard).

Thank you, Scoob. I appreciate your info. on the cost and finding the parts; that's not my main concern right now (I've looked into it and I'll manage). "The transmission gear ratio and the rear differential gear ratio must match." I could understand that both front and rear diff.s may need to match so that all 4 wheels spin at the same speed in 4wd but I'm not understanding why I would need a different trans; wouldn't 3.7 front and rear diff.s work with my 5sp? I've read about people switching Datsun 510's, etc. to the R160 Limited Slip Diff. but I don't recall having to change the trans (2wd but they used their same trans non the less). I'm finding some more info here (also more mention of the 3.54 gears): http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32542 You say you have a higher gear ratio and larger tires yet still run at even higher rpm's at 65?? Something doesn't add up. What model do you have? I've seen youtube videos of gl-10's that would cruise low rpm's at 60. According to the info you provided, they would be running the 3.7 and some of those use the same 5sp trans as my gl I think. I see that some 85-86 5sp gl wagons get about 29mpg highway (not bad for a 4wd). Hopefully I can get a better cruising gear and at least maintain my current fuel economy. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/1985_Subaru_Wagon.shtml

Thank you for the info. Scoob. I've considered the larger tires but I spoke with someone who runs some large tires and he says that the larger tires actually require much more torque, making the engine work harder. He says the gear change will be better for the engine. I'm curious about why you say do not change the gears or diff. It's common to switch out diff.s for the R160 LSD. I don't need the LSD but I think I could use the 3.54 (not sure whether it would be front diff. only or both). Not only do I want better fuel efficiency but I want a better cruising gear. Thank you again.

I've recently got an 86 gl (non-turbo) wagon, carbureted w/ optional hi/lo 4wd. I'm running 3k rpms at 65mph in 5th gear (2wd). I want to get the rpm's down and I'm not concerned with my 0-60 time, I'm concerned with gas mileage. I read that gl's came with 3.54, 3.7, 3.9, and 4.11 gears. I would like to know how to find out what mine has (probably 3.9 but I'll check for a label on the front diff.) and I would like to know if I could find a solution by switching a diff. or the gears within my front/rear diff. Which gears would be best - 3.54 or 3.7? Which diff would need to be switched- front/rear/both (It's FWD when not in 4WD)? Other questions: Anyone know how I can find out which engine I have (E81/EA82 etc.)? Is it true that the engine block and heads are aluminum (I did a magnet test and it did not seem to stick)? Other gas saving tips will be appreciated. I've considered eliminating 4wd but only if there would be a significant increase in mpg (I suspect there wouldn't be). I'll greatly appreciate and activate the soob info. Thank you.