notruck Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 my 1996 outback will not start. As I was driving yesterday it quit running. Im getting gas (pulled the gas line off and cranked it over gas came out. I also sprayed some starting fluid in the intake. I have spark @ the coil.. It turns over good no back fire. any help 235000 miles on it I changed the timing belt last year and I can see that its turning.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieTrav Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Have you checked the timeing belt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notruck Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 I have not pulled the front covers off. But I can see the belt turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Having the engine die while driving isn't a good thing. You appear to have fuel and spark so I have to wonder if the valve timing has slipped since you stated the timing belt appears to be intact. The results of a compression test will tell you the story about that. I think that car has a non-interference engine and if that is what has really happened that would save your rear end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notruck Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 Thanks would it easy er to pull the front of the engine apart and pull the covers to the belt? I did put a new belt on last year with new pulleys and water pump. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notruck Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 would pulling up the codes help at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Checking the error codes is a good easy thing to do. I suggest you check the compression first before removing the belt cover. It might save you some time if the results show no trouble with the compression. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notruck Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 Do I need a specific compression tester for this? and what should the compression be? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 No special tester is needed to do the testing. I'm not sure what the specs are for a nonturbo engine but I would guess you should see between 150lbs to 180lbs of pressure on a good cylinder. Hopefully all the readings are within 10lbs. of each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notruck Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 well I pulled the first plug out and did the test...And no compression guess the engine is gone!!! Guys is it worth the time to do a rebuild? It had 235000 on it.. Thanks for your time Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I assume there was no compression because the timing belt has slipped. There might be a problem with the belt tensioner. I also assume that the valves weren't damaged. If that is the case then replacing the timing belt and other things may be worth the time and small investment for new parts. You need to decide that. If there is valve damage then that would really hurt. I would invest in a newer car myself but that is just me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster2 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If this 96 has an automatic tranny, then it has the 2.5 motor. If the belt broke, or tensioner locked up, then the valves are damaged, so no compression. That being the case, then I am sorry, but it is bad news. If on the other hand, the 96 has the 2.2 motor with 5 speed, then that motor is non interference, so valves are not damaged. Simply replacing the timing belt with new tensioners will put you back on the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notruck Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 I can see the belt turning. When trying to start. This is 2.5 and I was driving going about 50mph at the time. So I'm thinking the valves are damaged. Because the belt is turning! Is this what you guys think? Thanks Much Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Pull the timing cover and line up the crank and compare marks. You don't have to take a ton of stuff off to do that. Accessory belts, AC tensioner, and crank pulley and you can remove the center cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I forgot about the differences between the 2.2 and 2.5 liter engines like Rooster2 mentioned. Your engine has major work required to fix it. That being the case it might be time to think about moving on and getting what you can for this car. If the rest of the car is in real good shape it might be worth investing in a used replacement engine and other ware items but you are going to have to carefully weigh the differences between the two. One thing about totally rebuilding your engine is it should go a long time without any problems. Some might recommend going to the 2.2 liter engine which was preferred over the 2.5 due to less problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster2 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I forgot about the differences between the 2.2 and 2.5 liter engines like Rooster2 mentioned. Your engine has major work required to fix it. That being the case it might be time to think about moving on and getting what you can for this car. If the rest of the car is in real good shape it might be worth investing in a used replacement engine and other ware items but you are going to have to carefully weigh the differences between the two. One thing about totally rebuilding your engine is it should go a long time without any problems. Some might recommend going to the 2.2 liter engine which was preferred over the 2.5 due to less problems. With 235K miles on the odo, I don't feel that there is a good reason to rebuild that motor. Just too many miles on what has to be a tired engine. Better off installing a lower mile 2.2 motor as a replacement. That is what I did on my wife's 98 OBW. Car runs great on a '95, 2.2 motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notruck Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 Is it just a pop in? with all the wires and other connects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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