DaveT Posted yesterday at 08:17 PM Share Posted yesterday at 08:17 PM This car is in a garage, driven a couple times per week. Suddenly, yesterday while driving, - Runs rough. Idle, dies. Idle in N dies. I did manage to drive it home, Seemed to run ok down the road, not acting like starved for fuel. In N, press the gas and hold, the RPM goes up, [example 2500]. Then after a second or 2 drops about 500, and the roughness returns. Does this regardless of what RPM you get initially - goes up, then drops back. Does this hot or cold. Capped the vacuum tap on the passenger side, no effect. This eliminates EGR, Evap, HVAC controls as possible culprits. Capped the vacuum tap for the brake booster, no effect. Distributor cap & rotor look normal, not loose. Timing belts are good, not jumped. Swapped the MAF, no effect. Swapped the IAC valve, no effect. CTS has nominal normal readings. Fuel pressure normal 22-23 PSI. Ignition coil & igniter swapped, no effect. ECU swapped - Still runs crap / same, but doesn't quite die at idle in N Running out of ideas.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushytails Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago I haven't troubleshooted that problem on one of those, so just some random ideas... Does fuel pressure go up to 35+ when you give it gas, and stay there as the rpm drops? Did you recently get gas, or other chance of contaminated fuel? Sample a bit into a clear container from the pressure test port if not sure. Does the exhaust coming out the rear feel normal, with distinct pulses per cylinder as it idles? Does it feel like all cylinders are weak, or like one or two cylinders are cutting out? Coolant level and condition normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted 18 hours ago Author Share Posted 18 hours ago Coolant normal. Fuel pressure stays steady at 22 PSI, just like my other EA82 SPFI wagon. Never moves vs throttle position or load. No recent fuel up. The roughness seems more random than cylinder specific. I'll try to check the exhaust pulses tomorrow. I also swapped the distributor since the original post, no change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushytails Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago I'm thinking of the mpfi version. they were still doing spfi in 93? Shows how many of those I've worked on. lol Sorry, my bad. egr valve stuck open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted 14 hours ago Author Share Posted 14 hours ago SPFI in 93, I think I read to 94. I checked the EGR valve after the OP, and yes, it is working normally. Took it off to check that it wasn't stuck open, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuspiciousPizza Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Have you checked the values and calibration of the TPS? I'm not as familiar with the autos as I am with the manuals. Isn't there a drop down circuit that senses when you go in gear and it'll drop the idle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted 3 hours ago Author Share Posted 3 hours ago More things checked - Spark plug wires, checked ok, but swapped anyways, no effect. TPS switch and pot both are withing normal settings / ranges. One other thing I forgot to put in the OP, it starts right up no problem - no hard start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuspiciousPizza Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago I've had a wire break inside the engine harness to the IAC before. I've also had several connectors have poor terminal connection. Then again, I would typically get a CEL but not all the time. Since you have no hard starts I don't suspect a wiring issue with the IAC. The fact that you've swapped a majority of the typical suspect components and it still acts the same leads me to think an intermittent connection somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushytails Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago The IAC has no effect at open throttle, so it's easy to rule out anything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago Yeah, I figured the IAC shouldn't bother open throttle. I did have a wagon years ago that had a broken wire in the IAC circuit years ago. It ran fine, but died if I let the pedal go to idle. I also put a voltmeter on the 12V powered side of the ignition coil, and it was steady except for slight variations because the alternator rpm varying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted 4 minutes ago Author Share Posted 4 minutes ago I found the problem! Swapped throttle body top 2 layers. This include fuel pressure reg, IAC valve, and Injector. Runs fine now. Since the regulator measured good, and the IAC was swapped earlier, I'm going with the injector is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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