silverracerkh2005 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I have an 88 gl wagon. Will an xt 6 engine match with the gl's trans? I want the engine from a totaled xt6 because it has more hp.But I don't want to switch the trans. Also I know the gl is a 90 hp ea82 but what is the xt6(hp and call sign plz)? How much power will I gain with the xt6 engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky92 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 The XT6 engine is an ER27 146 hp ( I love my XT6 but they that motor does have its issues)...A board member has done the swap into a Loyale and it does have its issues...one being cooling..there is no room for the radiator so he had to do some mods and still has some cooling issues ( Look for a member Loyale 2.7 Turbo ) I am not sure about the tranny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 yes the XT6 will bolt right up. although "messing with the transmission" on something like this is about 10% of the work of the wiring and computer issues you're going to run into. it'll drop in on the cross member, bolt up to the transmission, then the fun begins. swapping the ECU and wiring harness and then the front radiator support like she said. the XT6 ER27 is 145 hp. a much better bet is to do an EJ22 swap. they are a dime a dozen and better all around. lighter, smaller, easier to maintain, more reliable, newer, easier to find parts for, and no worries about the larger size and radiator support nonsese.... it will bolt in but will require work on the transmission end since it does not bolt right up. but there are solutions to that and lots of people have done EJ swaps and can help you out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobcob Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 There's apparantly guys running the ER27 in sandrails. From what I've been told they got rid of the ECU, installed a Chevy 6cyl distributor, ditched the MPFI and ran a Holley 4bbl carb (presumably on custom intake) I've not seen it in person but the guy that was telling me about it knows his stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverracerkh2005 Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 I know I don't want an ej22 I have one andhave had nothing but problems with it. It spent months going in and out of the shop and cost me thousands.Then finaly blew a rod, by the time that happened I was happy I wouldent have to fix it any more. I later found out it was a junk yard engine, now I'm sueing the dealer.and I bought an 04 loaded obw.But the gl is my toy.It sounds bad to switch these when I don't know that much about them.How much power does the turbo system for the ea82 give you?I saw one at a local junk yard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daeron Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 answer: not much, and its at the cost of the 250K+ mile reliability of your engine. You would almost HAVE to use the turbo block because its lower compression. You would have to switch computers, wiring, exhaust, i think even the engine crossmember. The swap from a turbo car into a factory NA car is not AWFUL hard... but it is much simpler when you have both cars side by side in your yard, and won't get nickel-and-dimed to death by the boneyard. You had a bad experience with one EJ series engine. (how did you spend thousands on it before sending it to the bottom of a lake?) Many many people here have sucessfully pulled junkyard engines out and installed them straight into their cars without a problem, but problems do occur. That doesn't mean its a curse.. most of us (even we OHC fans) agree that the EA82 is no prize of a motor, and that the EJ was proof of lessons well learned through failures on the EA82. I mean, what kind of engine do you have in your OBX? The same engine series that was started in 1990 with the first legacy.. EJ. It's won WRC, and logged countless miles for thousands of people... it really is a rather highly regarded engine as these things go. This topic has been beaten to death 23543489089734 million times, and most everyone winds up either leaving it alone, or swapping in an EJ. A handful have tried the high comp turbo for a while (until gaskets or something else blew) and one or two have sucessfully replaced an EA82 with an ER27.. but its NUTSO hard, and Loyale2.7Turbo has never really managed to get his car well-cooled enough to consider turbocharging it to match his name. I don't know about you, but I like having my temp needle stay below halfway 99% of the time. For an EJ swap, the only thing that you need to make the transmission line up perfectly, is an adapter plate that take up an extra inch or so between the EJ engine bolted into your car, and your current transmission (which you would almost certainly want to keep.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverracerkh2005 Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 I think the best thing for me to do is leave the ea82.I have only had one prob with an ea82 and that was a smog issue.the ej22 blew headgaskets and pretty much every other gasket,every pully and too much more to list.I'm not saying there bad engines I'd just prefer to stay away from them.my gl hit 284 before I replaced the engine due to smog.And the old engine still runs,I kept it(not sure why but I did,lol).The ej22 had less power than my ea82 anyway.The 99 you see is the one I'm talking about, It's now sittng in my yard until the lawsuit is over,the engines in the backseat.As for my 04 I've only poped the hood once to change the oil.I have yet to have a problem with it(and hope I never do).It has it's normal engine(h4).I bought an extended warranty this time just in case,lol.I'm not sure what the call sign is for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 a turbo EA82 probably isn't a good fit. requires upgrades and work to get decent power and they have lots of issues. they blow head gaskets, are old, leak like a seize...if you get one it should be completely gone over first before installing it, then they can be good engines if you're not prone to up the boost! i think you said it best - it's probably best to stick with the EA82 and enjoy it for what it is. at least it gets decent gas mileage (or hopefully, some aren't that great actually). a motor swap is a lot of work for a car that old unless you plan on putting a lot into to keep it running over the years - wheel bearings, struts, u joints, cables, hose, tie rods, power steering, a/c, power widows...things will start creeping up eventually. making judgement calls on anecdotal experience really limits you, we're trying to help you. in terms of buying one right now there's really no comparison or debate as to what is the cheapest reliability money can buy right now - it's an EJ22 (or the nearly identical EJ18). don't rule out millions of miles and thousands of owners/mechanics and subaru specialists based on very few (or one) experience. i've owned 20 XT6's, they are far more problematic than EJ22's as well. they are great motors but require a lot of preventative maintenance and babying - CTS goobies, crank seals failing, oil pump seals sucking in, loud hydraulic valve lash adjusters, expensive and harder to find parts....they are a huge downgrade from an EJ engine, though i still love XT6's and am a moderator of the XT forum for a reason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverracerkh2005 Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 I'll just keep the ea82.But it's not about money to me I spent alot on it already,but i'm not getting into that story again.I have had it 5 years and don't ever plan to sell it.But now I think I feel a fourth ru being added to my list soon.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueTrain Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 you're very wrong. the ej22 is a MUCH better and more reliable motor than the ea82. if you couldn't get more power out of it than your ea82, well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverracerkh2005 Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 As I said blue I had a bad ej,and I don't want anything to do with ej's. Read the things I said were wrong with my ej22 and you should understand why it had less power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaruguru Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 ej22 way better hell even the ea81 is more reliable than the ea82 less power just more reliable i know my ea71 is uber reliable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94Loyale Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 The EJ is definately a superior motor in most every aspect. But all it takes is one rotten egg (motor) to sway someone away from it. Silver, if you dumped all that money into one, I can't blame you for not wanting to try another one. Or put all the time and money into swapping one in. Your better off sticking with the stock motor rather than putting all the money into swapping a stock turbo ea82. It's what? 25 more horse or so? The 6 is a tough project from what I've read, if you don't have any fab skills and alot of time, I wouldn't attempt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daeron Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 blah, sorry for the can of worms. :-\ Good to see you came to the same lackluster conclusion as the rest of us :-p "just leave it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverracerkh2005 Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 you guys are probly right about the ej22s.But theres nothing wrong with the gls engine.I only wanted the xt6's for more power.But as dearon said I will leave the old one alone,As the turbo sounds like bad news.but now I want a nice xt too.lol,thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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