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Improved Shock Absorbers and Spring Coils on Loyales

Suspension Coil Springs Shock Absorbers Honda Toyota JesZeK Loyale EA82 Loyale 2.7 Turbo Struts

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#1 Loyale 2.7 Turbo

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 05:58 AM

Suspension Improvements

For the third Gen Subaru Leone 
(also known as: DL, GL, GL-10, RX, RS, GT, GTi, ST, Omega, Winner, Loyale and even as Isuzu Gemminett II,

depending on the Market, but here will be referred to, as the "EA82" for easy reference.)  

 

 


 

Please note that this writeup is intended to give you ideas to make stronger the Suspension, intended for rude use / offroad \ heavy loads; it gains a Sporty feeling, but the suspension could become harder, remember: Use this ideas at your own Risk!

 

In this Writeup:

 

Shock Absorbers and Coil Springs.

Alternative ones from non-Subaru cars.

Their part numbers.

Photos.  :D 

 

My dad purchased this 1985 Subaru Wagon new that year; I've done regular maintenance and lots of repairs since then; when this subie became mine, I did many modifications and named it: the "BumbleBeast" 

 

I've Been part of this Great Club since year 2001 and I've Learned a Lot (mainly here, in this Awesome Website) about how to fix and improve many Things, but I personally have Discovered by myself, many other things about those older subie Models, That I've Shared here with you, like the following suspension ideas... Let's begin!

 

 


 

 

About The REAR Suspension:

 

In my own humble opinion, the subaru's weakest suspension part is the Rear shock absorbers; no matter how careful I drive, if I hit a pothole with some Load on the car, is almost sure that a Rear shock absorber will say Good Bye...


 

Those are somehow, the "Achilles Heel" of the Subie:

 

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The trail arms, of the front wheel drive (2WD) Subarus, have a different mounting point (perch) for the Shock Absorbers than their four wheel drive (AWD) counterparts, as you can see in the following photos: 

 

The 2WD ones mounts the shock absorbers in the position where normally goes the constant velocity joint (Axle)...

 

 

2WDmountingpoint.jpg

 

 

...while 4WD ones have the said mounting point, raised,

two inches higher on their trail arms, to let the axle pass.

 

 

4WDmountingpoint.jpg

 

 


So, Subaru made two different Rear Shock Absorbers for the EA82: The Front wheel drive (2WD) Models' Shock Absorbers, has the base plate for the coil spring, welded to their bodies, two inches (2") Higher than the four wheel drive (AWD) ones, to compensate the lower mounting point (perch) on the trail arm; and both models use Same Coil Spring.

 

 

2WDVs4WDRearStrutsEA82.jpg

 

2WD  .Vs.  4WD

2WDVs4WD.jpg


Using a 2WD shock absorber, on a 4WD subie, will lift the rear, due to the Higher position of the Coil spring's base.

 

Then Subaru Suddenly changed the Production of those two, for one "Universal" Rear Shock absorber, which featured Adjustable Base for the Coil Springs, so you can place said base Up or Down (2" of Difference) and also included a "Middle" (1") Position; Despite the Coil Spring's Base position, the Total damper travel of those "Universal" Subaru Rear Shock absorbers, is 160 mm / 6.3" inches.

 

 

Here is a Photo of said "Universal" Rear Shock Absorber,

with Part Number and KYB equivalence:

 

 

RearSubaruShocks1.jpg

 

 

The Subaru Part Number for the Spring Coil's Base (seat) is: 21025GA230

 

SubaruRearShocks2.jpg

 

 

 

But those Rear Shock Absorbers are Still Weak to handle our Horrid Roads, plenty of Potholes -and even Potholes inside the Potholes- with my Loaded Subaru "BumbleBeast", especially during my Usual offroad Weekend Mountain Travels; and I wanted my Subie to be Taller without a Lift kit in the Rear.

 


 

Part Nº 1:

How to Improve the Rear Suspension:


First I Needed Stronger Coil Springs for the Rear of my Wagon, because Usually I Travel with it Fully Loaded and many people in our very Bad Roads; also I do many Weekend "Mountain Adventure" Family Travels offroading; So I took with me one of the Old Rear coil springs and went to search for a better ones to The Local Junk Yards.

 

Honduran Junk Yards, named here: Yónkers are different from the regular PaP(pull a Part) or any other USA version of a Junk Yard; they receive the cars and disassemble everything; sending the unuseful things such like crashed metallic bodies and cracked plastics to the Recycler; and classifies everything in Areas so, you can find in a Latin American Yónker, one area dedicated solely to Doors, other area dedicated to Engines, other areas for Starters, Alternators, Seats, Headlamps, Struts, Mirrors, Transmissions, etc, etc, etc, let me share with you a couple of photos of a typical Latin American Yónker (Junk Yard):

 

 

Yonker1.jpg

 

 

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So searching among disassembled parts, I found that the Subie's Rear Coil Springs are almost the Same Size, Tall and Wide than the Honda Accord's Front Coil Springs (1986 ~ 1989) but the Honda ones are Thicker and has Two More Turns than the Subie ones; so I Swapped the Rear Subaru Coil Springs with the Honda Front ones; it Makes the Subie More Capable to Manage the extra Weight when is Loaded, without going too low; also the Honda's Coil Springs does Lift the Subaru's Rear in two inches (2") and its Movement & Handling while Driving in Unpavemented Roads / Pot Holes, becomes Firmer and Sportier.


The Front Honda's Coil Springs that Fits on the Subaru's Rear, came from the 1986 ~ 1989 Honda Accord, (The Prelude from that Era has them too) it could come either from the Manual or Automatic, With or Without A/C, but Keep in mind that the Hondas with manual trans and without AC, does have weaker Coil Springs than the Hondas with Auto Trans and A/C, so I chose the Stiffer ones.  

 

The Part Number for the Honda's Coil Springs, is:

~►  MOOG CC248    for "Moog" Brand.

~►  NCP 2775298   for "Napa" Brand.

 

 

 

So, How to get Rid of those weak Rear Shock Absorbers?

 

My Subie was in dire need of Stronger Rear Shock Absorbers,

so after Searchin' a Lot ... I Found This Solution:

 

 

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To Swap the Toyota 4Runner's Front Shock Absorbers

in the Place of the Subaru's Rear ones!

 


As you can See in the Pictures, the 4Runner ones are the Same extended Tall than the Subie Ones; Also the 4Runner ones has the Same Wide Base for the Coil Spring and they use almost the Same Design; But the 4Runner Ones are Thicker and Heavier, more Capable to manage the Stress of Riding in my Crazy Country Roads, especially for offroading with a Fully Loaded Subaru Wagon.

 

 

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The Subie Ones had their Threaded top of Nº 10 mm and the Hole opening on their Base is for a Nº 10 mm Screw; While the 4Runner ones has them Nº 12 mm Screws; So the Subie's Nut on the Base for Nº 10 mm Screw had to be Removed in order to Use a Pass-Thru Nº 12 mm Screw with its own Nut and locking washer.

 

 

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The Subie's Part for the Shock Absorber's Top shall be Modified too, in order to Accept the Nº 12 mm Screw Size instead the Older Nº 10 mm One,  I Just made the Hole Larger; pretty easy!   :D

 

 

For Those who want the 4Runner's Shock Absorber Part Number, it is: 

 

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~►  KYB 341232

in KYB (Kayaba) Japanese Brand

 

 

The salesman from the Aftermarket parts store where I purchased those KYB 341232 Shock absorbers, said that those are for the Front of a Toyota 4Runner for the 1998 model year; However, Toyota used the same platform and shared these shock absorbers in the Hi-Lux Surf, and the Land Cruiser Prado / Colorado (J90) Which is a very Popular car here, in LADM (Latin American Domestic Market).

 

The Following is a Screen Caption of a website that I Saved long time ago, where you can find the Original Toyota's Part Numbers for their OEM Shock Absorbers...

 


4RunnerShockAbsorber.jpg
 

According to online databases, it does interchange with:

 

~► Monroe  D8344 

 

~► Sachs  230631

 

~► BOGE  27-D67-A

 

 

I Tested the KYB 341232 onlyany other Toyota Shock Absorber could be "Visually" Identical, but might have some differences, such like even shorter travel, Harder ride, Thicker Body, etc ... So I Kindly suggest you to Stick to the KYB Part Number I Provided, I can not guarantee to work the other ones... 

 

 

 

My Subaru "BumbleBeast" Runs very well with that Setup: 

Toyota Shock Absorbers + Honda Coil Springs in the Rear,

since many, many years ago...

 

 

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...despite that they has only 4.3" of total damper Travel.

(as I wrote above, the Subaru rear Shock Absorbers has 6.3")

 

But that shorter travel is not an issue, because the Coil Springs won't let it go down more than 4" under compression, and the total expanded -extended- lenght is Equal to the Subaru's ones, as you can see in the photos above.

 

 

In case you need to do a Rear Alignment on these Subaru Models,

here is the Factory Guide about how to do that:

 

Rearalignment.jpg

 

 

 IMPORTANT NOTE: You can use the 4Runner's shocks along with the subaru coil springs, to keep the original height of the suspension. If you use the Honda coil springs, the rear suspension will be lifted two inches (2"), stressing the angle of the rear axles in 4WD (AWD) models only. (You might drop the rear differential a little to compensate the lift) The 2WD (FWD) models doesn't have any problem with that configuration.

 


 

LEVELING ISSUE: Since Those front Honda Coil Springs does Lift the Subaru's Rear two inches (2"); after that Swap, I had to Lift the front of my "BumbleBeast" an equal amount to compensate, using lift blocks, as you can read the complete information and see many photos about that, ~► Here, but also, below you'll see a photo of said lift blocks already installed.

 


 

About The FRONT Suspension:

 

 

The 4WD (AWD) Shock Absorbers has a 5.75" / 147 mm in Total damper travel, While 2WD (FWD) Shock Absorbers has a 6.12" / 155 mm in Total damper travel. Since I couldn't find any 2WD (FWD) Shock absorbers locally, I installed into my "BumbleBeast"new Monroe Front Shock Absorbers for the XT; this are their part Numbers:

 

Passenger Side: ~► 71876

 

.................Driver Side: ~► 71877

 

 

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FrontStruts.jpg
 

 


 

Part Nº 2:

How to Improve the Front Suspension:

 

Next, I wanted to install Firmer Coil Springs for the Front of my Subaru, as I already did on the Rear, to have equal balance of handling and sportier feeling (Harder Suspension).

 

Originally I searched for stiffer Coil Springs for the Front of the Subaru around the year 1999; Because my 2.7 Wagon (now dead) had the Heavyweighted ER27 engine, plus a Fiberglass & Metal sheet Reinforced Front Bumper; I Needed Something Stronger than the EA82's coil Springs to better carry that extra weight.

 

So I Took with me, one of the Old Front coil springs and went to search to The Local Junk Yards, as I wrote above, the Local Junk Yards, called here "Yonkers", doesn't carry complete cars, they have classified parts areas such like: Doors' Area, Engines' Area, Seats' Area, transmissions' Area, etc ... as you can see pictures ~► Here

 

So, I Searched among a Pile of Strut assemblies in the Suspensions' Area, comparing each coil to the one I had on my Hand, taken from my Subie; in that way I Found that the Ford Tempo coil Springs looked almost identical to the Subaru ones, they had around two more Turns and were li'l more thicker.


Since I Found those Tempo Coil springs already taken outside their car, they only had a Mark done with white paint marker on them, that said: '94 Tempo

 

Since the damage done to my 2.7 wagon (More info, ~► Here) I decided to remove certain parts from it to make my EA82 Weberized Wagon (Now renamed as BumbleBeast) a Better car, with the Better parts from the Two; that included the Tempo Springs.  :D

 

So, I installed those Tempo's Coil Springs on the front of my "BumbleBeast" and those add to the Front Suspension the Same Firm & Sporty Feeling that the Rear suspension obtained with the Above written Modifications.


IMPORTANT NOTE: The Ford Tempo Coil Spring total radius -diameter- is Half inch (½") smaller than the Subaru one, but that is not a problem, I Drive my Subaru "BumbleBeast" with them since Years ago and they doesn't "Shift" nor make any clunk noise.


According to the info I obtained from the Junk Yard's salesman, the Front coil Springs came off a basic 1990's "Second Gen" Ford Tempo with in-line 4 Cylinder engine and manual transmission; Those are "Non-Progressive" Coils, so they measure the Same between each turn. I searched on internet for The Part Number for those Ford Tempo Front Coil Springs,

 

So those should be:


~►   MOOG CC854    for "Moog" Brand.

~►   NCP 2775375   for "Napa" Brand.

 

 

TempoCoilSpringsonSubaruShockAbsorbers.j

 

 

These are the Lift Blocks I had to use in the Front, to compensate the Rear Lift,

 

as I explained in the "Leveling issue" note, written above:

 

LiftKitinstalled.jpg
 

 

 

IMPORTANT NOTE: The Tempo Coil Springs I used came from a used 4 cyl. tempo found in a Local Junk Yard, so they were used and not as Stiff as brand New coil Springs, so I didn't had any fitment problems; but People who has brought those Coil Spring brand new, had to Trim them up to 1.5 Turns, especially the Moog CC856 because those are "Progressive" which means that they has different spaces between coils and they're intended for a heavier V6 Automatic Tempo, and are even Stiffer than the Moog CC854 I Used, so I don't recommend to use those, they might be too stiff for the Subaru.

 

 

 

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The ideas in this writeup are for those who are interested in Improving the Suspension of their Subies (Specially for Off-Roading), let me Tell you again that this Mods are intended for a More Rude Use and Longer Lasting Parts; not for Confort; so be adviced that the Ride will become Harder...

 

Despite that, I use my lifted Subaru "BumbleBeast" as daily driver on city roads & Highways during weekdays (60% usage) and offroading on Weekends (40% usage) on our usual "Mountain Adventure" travels with my Family + Luggage, toys, food, etc...

 

 

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To Drive my Modified Subie with those 4Runner Shock Absorbers + Accord's Coil Springs in the Rear, and the Subaru XT 4WD Shock Absorbers + the Tempo's Coil Springs in the Front, Changes the Handling & Feeling of the Subie in the same way you'll notice while Driving a Police Car after being Driving the Civil Version of it before.

 


 

I've Test Drove it Unloaded and Loaded, up to 160 KPH (100 MPH) in Highways...

 

 

 

 

...Bad Pavemented Roads and gravel off roads...

 

 

 

 

...and it Feels Really AWESOME!

 

... :D ... 

 

but rides Pretty Hard to be a "Family Wagon" anymore.

 



Feel Free to Ask Questions, comment or Share your own Experiences & Photos, on the Discussion Thread about this Modifications, which is Here:

 

~► http://www.ultimates...-subaru-loyale/

 

if you find this information useful, don't forget to let me know by hitting the "Like" Button :D I Hope this Ideas could be Helpful.

 

Kind Regards.

► Edited to update the Web Links and Add the Tags for the New Search System


Edited by Loyale 2.7 Turbo, 09 November 2014 - 01:00 AM.






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