Mike Kamm

Hello Historic Subaru Enthusiasts. The Adirondack Motor Enthusiast Club would like to invite you to participate in Economy Run III For those of you who haven't modified your cars for speed, here is an event that will reward those of us who've restored our Japanese economy cars and left them stock. Here's an event that will showcase the main design intent of our cars in the first place.....economy! My B210 logged 61.5 mpg last October and I am aiming for 70 this summer with additional aero and mechanical mods. C'mon out and join us this August 23rd. What: Fuel mileage contest through the southern Adirondacks of NY. The route will be on really scenic and challenging roads [mild grades] and will run approx. 94 miles in distance. Your “economic” driving ability will be tested. Cars will be filled with fuel by an AMEC official and be sent off at one minute intervals. There will be a time limit to complete the run. Any street legal vehicle is allowed to participate, [including motorcycles]. This event will run rain or shine. Where: The starting spot will be at the [ethanol free] Fairway Oil gas station on Route 5 in Fonda, NY. Take NY Thruway Exit 28. After the toll booth, turn left onto Riverside Drive. Then turn right onto South Bridge Street and go over the bridge. On the other side of the bridge is a traffic light. You can see Fairway Oil and Gas on your left. Turn left onto Route 5 and enter the station. When: Sunday, August 23rd, 2009. Arrival time will be 8:00-8:30am, first car off at 9:00am. They have gas and diesel and have a large enough parking lot that we won’t be in the way. Cost: $10 per vehicle plus $8 per car for lunch at the awards picnic by the lake. [see "Awards" below] Awards include: 1. Best overall mpg for gas cars [1st, 2nd, and 3rd places] 2. Best overall mpg for diesel and hybrid cars [1st, 2nd, and 3rd places] 3. Best Historic car ['79 and earlier - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places]. Note: If we get more than one motorcycle we will add a class for them. Finish: will be at the Citgo located at 746 NY-30, in Northville. They are less than a mile from Northampton Beach Campground and their lot is plenty big. It will be on your right as you're heading on Route 30 south in Northville. Awards and Lunch: This event will conclude about noon, and we will be having our A.M.E.C. summer picnic immediately following the event. All Economy run participants are invited to join us for awards and a picnic lunch at Northampton Beach Campground located on Housmann Street, in Mayfield, [it's actually closer to Northville] NY. Their website is HERE. Scroll to the bottom of the page to find the map links. The picnic pavilion and beach are right on the shore of beautiful Sacandaga lake. Hamburgers, hot dogs, and soda will be served. This park is only about a mile from the Citgo station where the event concluded. To register for this event: Please contact Mike Kamm at (518) 674-0520 or via email: mikek [at ]icerace [ dot] com. Or just simply reply to this thread with your name, year/model car. The vehicle count will be limited so please sign up before this event is full. Registered driver's list as of 6-30-09 1. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY 2. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga, NY 3. Dave Burnham - 1991 Eco Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY 4. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH 5. wongleflute Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY 6. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC 7. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY 8. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - 518 forums 9. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY 10. Bruce Turk- 1958 Saab 93B - Walden, NY 11. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc 12. Dan & Richard Dobbins - 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk - Long Island, NY 13. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 14. Robert Smalls - 2000 Honda Insight - Buffalo, NY 15. Peter Ramotowski - 2000 VW Golf TDI - Albany, NY 16. 17. 18. 19. 20.

Is there an email notification list I can sign up for so I don't miss any future WSCC events? Mike

The Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club is hosting a great Rallycross program for 2009 at Grieg's Farm in Upper Red Hook, NY. The area they are using is a mostly flat field with no rocks. This event should be relatively safe for almost any car. Entry fees are $35 for SCCA members, and $50 for non-members. Classes are (STOCK SR,SF,SA) (PREPARED PR,PF,PA) (MOD M2, M4) For additional information, please see their or contact PSCC President Mark VanDeCarr at 845-876-6209(W) or 914-456-6568(Cell). Dates: May 17 June 7 July 26 August 23 September 20 October 25 November 15 A few dates may change because they are on the same weekend as some other Rallies. The May 17th date is solid. Schedule: 7:00-8:30 AM - arrival, sign-in, walk in registration. Please be prompt. 7:30-8:45 AM - tech inspection 8:45 AM - participants' meeting ~9:00 AM - first car off noonish - lunch break ~30 minutes We have a local Deli come in to take lunch orders in registration, no need to leave the site. ~4:00 PM - event conclusion, equipment pick-up ~5:00 PM - awards and departure. **All participants will be required to work.** Register online today! http://www.axwaresystems.com/axorm/c...electclubid=16 Location: Grieg Farm Redhook NY. Map: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=114240274575399231541.0004673e15e236ae57276&z=14 . Look for a sign which says “PSCC” and orange cones marking the entrance.

This sounds like a terrific event and I'd be there to participate if I wasn't going to a rallycross tomorrow in Red Hook, NY. I hope I can make the next one! I love TSD's. Mike Kamm

Sorry to see this. I hope you can fix it properly and get it behind you. By the way I like the color!

I was impressed with that too!

You're welcome skip, For someone like myself who participates in economy run events, I am impressed with the 66 mpg too!

This is a teriffic video on old 360's and the 1970 Star. Cute babes too!

I see it all as great news for the Japanese classic car communtiy. First the all Japanese car shows in Long Beach, then the same type of shows started popping up here in the east. Now we have a magazine devoted to our cars! This is all excellent........ and long overdue. Mike

Love the color! Wish we had some nice examples like that on the east coast. Mike

I'm surprised no one here has posted about the new magazine that caters specifically to old school Japanese cars. It's a quarterly magazine. I've gotten the first two issues and absolutley love it, but as always, Suby's are lacking between the pages so far. I'm sure Dan and Ben Hsu would love to have you send them pics of your early Subarus for their reader's rides section. Cheers, Mike

Glad to see this forum back up and running. I went to post these results last month but couldn't get this forum. After bolting it all together, I fine tuned it with an Innovate LM1 wide band oxygen sensor setup. After rejetting the stock Hitachi carburetor for between 14.6 and 15.0 to 1 A/F ratio, I took the car out on a 64 mile test loop the afternoon before the big event. I topped up the fuel tank to the rim and then carefully drove a 64 mile loop. I refilled the tank [right to the rim again] and it took 1.1 gallons of gas. I was very happy to have gotten 56 mpg in this initial test! B210's sit quite high off of the ground and this brings a poor drag coefficient, so I went home that night and tried to help the poor aerodynamics. I added a makeshift front chin spoiler, clear plexiglass headlight covers, and blocked off half of the grill to reduce wind drag. The next I morning I competed in the A.M.E.C. Economy Run event and carefully drove the 118.7 mile distance. During the post event refill it took only 1.91 gallons of fuel. This equates to 61.53 miles per gallon! I think we have a new record for the B210/B310 chassis folks! We hope to have a Historic Suby come out and join us next year. I know the older FWD Subarus got great gas mileage, [unlike the newer AWD models!] Full results for this event are HERE. More pics can be seen HERE.

Nice original car! It's so rare to see them any more. Let's hope it goes to a good home in NZ. Mike

I actually built another engine specifically for this fuel mileage competition. Here I removed the custom twin carb 1608cc engine and am lowering in a stock 1397cc [A14] engine. I took the opportunity to repaint my 20 year old Pacesetter header while it was out. This is the only non original part being used. Here's how far along I was this morning. In the past I've never liked the non crossflow type cylinder head arrangement on these engines because the exhaust heats up the intake manifold and costs power. But for fuel efficiency, it's perfect. Got it running today and road tested it. It runs quite well and is very quiet and smooth. I still have few bugs to work out. It is still a bit too lean with an air/fuel ratio of about 16.4 to 1 while cruising. I'll have to go into the carb and richen it a bit. Also I found that the 31 year old vacuum advance diaphram does not function. Vacuum advance is definately something you want to have working properly if you're interested in getting good fuel mileage. I'm pretty happy so far though. The event is Sunday.

Thankfully, I finally did get a reply from Dan Hsu. This was it: Hi Mike, Sorry about the late reply. We've been plagued here by a couple of really big setbacks which has caused us to delay issue #2. The good news is that it's going to be completed soon. We're looking for a ship date of 10/7. I'll email you once it goes out. Thanks for supporting our new magazine! Dan

I'm sure rust has something to do with it, but all of the other makes seem to have cars that were saved from the crusher. Why not Subarus? I like the early Subies and would like to see some at these now popular Japanese car gatherings.

I'm at a loss as to where all of the early Subarus are. Take a look at the pictures from this fantastic all Japanese car show from South Plainfield. NJ on Labor Day weekend. It was mainly a Toyota show, but Mazdas, Datsuns, Mitsubishis, Hondas, were all welcome and showed in great numbers. I never knew there were this many fantastic examples of early Japanese cars in the east! But of all 200 cars that showed up, did you notice that there wasn't a single Subie there? Why is this? :-\

Just curious, are there any historic Subaru owners in upstate NY at all? How about in the entire Northeast?

That's what I like to hear! Registered driver's list as of 9-20-08 1. Dave Burnham - 1991 Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY 2. wongleflute Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY 3. Mark Long - 1997 Dodge Avenger - Staatsburg, NY 4. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY 5. Claude Hutchings - 1999 Saab 9-3 - Saquiot, NY 6. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc - Mechanicville, NY 7. Ronny Kienhuis - 1972 Citroen SM or 1992 Subaru SVX - Long Island, NY 8. Jud Engels [Clean mpg forums] 2007 Toyota Prius - Cincinnati, KY. 9. "JPS000" - 2008 Toyota Prius 10. Al Walker - [Clean MPG] - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 11. Brian Wilsey - 2003 Mazda Protege - Amsterdam, NY 12. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga NY 13. Carl Germain - 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe - Syracuse, NY 14. Bill Clark - 1960 Metropolitan - Endicott, NY 15. Jonathan Bartlett - 2005 Passat TDI wagon[biodiesel] - Sterling, MA 16. Pam Subik - 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee - Mayfield, NY 17. Tom Compoli - 1981 VW Rabbit - Schenectady, NY 18. Chris Werner, 1991 Ford Festiva - Troy, NY 19. Paul Marczak - 1997 Honda Civic DX sedan - Glenville, NY 20. This event will be completely full shortly. What I will do is add 3 more spots for cancellations and no shows. 1. 2. 3.

Other classics are signing up. Carl Germain - 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe and look what Bill Clark plans to be driving: It's a 1960 Nash Metropolitan. If it rains, he will bring his Metro hardtop instead! Take a look at the restoration of this 1960 Metropolitan here. As always, I'd love to have a classic Subaru come out to play.

Glad to hear it. I hope you guys are right. I'm looking forward to any issue at all right now. :-\

I'm getting a bit worried as Dan Hsu is not answering my emails either.

Check this out: The early Japanese cars got great mileage! How does the Subarus stack up against the Datsuns? What was the best early Suby mileage car?

Hi Guys, I know I've invited you all to our vintage ice races, fall vintage car cruises, and even an all Japanese car show, but here's something new you might like to join us in. Greetings fellow hypermilers. For those of you located in the northeast, the Adirondack Motor Enthusiast Club A.M.E.C. will be holding a Fall Foliage "Economy Run" coming up this October 5, 2008. A little history: A.M.E.C. held it's first Economy Run back in 1954. Now 54 years later with record high fuel prices, the club decided to bring the event back. Our members created a new course and the event took place this past August 10th. It was very well received and was thoroughly enjoyed by all who participated. Results can been seen here. It was a good dry run to make sure everything went smoothly and that our laptop excel program worked properly to calculate the results. We enjoyed it so much that we have planned an "Economy Run II" and this time would like to open it up to like minded individuals who would like to join us. To keep it easy to manage and fun we will limit registration to the first 20 entrants. Here are the details: What: Fuel mileage contest through the southern Adirondacks of NY. The route will be on some really nice scenic and challenging roads and will run 106.3 miles in distance. Your “economic” driving ability will be tested. Cars will be filled with fuel by an AMEC official and then weighed on electronic scales. Small ramps are employed for easy on and off of the scales. There will be a time limit of three hours to complete the event. Any street legal vehicle is allowed to participate, [including motorcycles].This event will run rain or shine. Where: The starting spot will be at the Fairway Oil gas station on Route 5 in Fonda, NY. [directions below]. When: Sunday, October 5th, 2008. Arrival time will be 8:00-8:30am, first car off at 9:00am. They have gas and diesel and have a large enough parking lot that we won’t be in the way. (They also don’t use ethanol, if that makes a difference to anyone.) Cost: $10 per vehicle Awards include: 1. Best overall mpg for gas cars 2. Best overall mpg for diesels and hybrids 3. Best ton-mile per gallon [TMPG] Car weight in pounds divided by 2000 times miles driven divided by gallons consumed. A handy calculator is here. 4. Best carbureted mpg 5. Best miles per dollar. [based on the actual cost to travel the 106.3 miles. For example, we had a diesel VW Jetta get 56 mpg and a Dodge Avenger get 48 mpg. Because the diesel fuel was about a dollar more per gallon than the gasoline, the Avenger won this contest.] Note: If we get more than one motorcycle, we will add a class for them. Awards: This event will conclude about noon, and our plan is to proceed up the nearby Checkers Out Go-Kart track for lunch, trophy awards, and optional indoor go-kart races if you so desire. Checkers Out Speedway is an indoor go kart track open year round, and is located about ¾ of a mile south of Johnstown, NY, on NYS Route 30A. Physical address: 2299 State Hwy 30A Johnstown, NY 12905. Track phone: 518 736-4630 Directions: to Fairway Oil gas station: Take NY Thruway Exit 28. After the toll booth, turn left onto Riverside Drive. Then turn right onto South Bridge Street and go over the bridge. On the other side of the bridge is a traffic light. You can see Fairway Oil and Gas on your left. Turn left onto Route 5 and enter the station. To register for this event: Please contact Mike Kamm at (518) 674-0520 or via email: mkamm [at ] juno [ dot] com. There is also a message board thread regarding this event on the A.M.E.C. message board here. Registered drivers as of 9-4-08: 1. Dave Burnham - 1991 Diesel VW Jetta 2. wongleflute Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R 3. Mark Long - 1997 Dodge Avenger 4. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 mpg 5. Claude Hutchings - 1999 Saab 9-3 6. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc 7. Ronny Kienhuis - 1972 Citroen SM or 1992 Subaru SVX 8. "Bestmapman" [Clean mpg forums] 2007 Toyota Prius, Cincinnati, KY. 9. "JPS000" - 2008 Toyota Prius 10. Al Walker - [Clean MPG] - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 11. Brian Wilsey - 2003 Mazda Protege [2.0] 12. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga NY 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. Anyone here interested? Your early Subaru would be perect for this. They were designed with economy in mind! Mike

Has anyone gotten their first issue yet since subscribing? I still haven't gotten anything.