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Pulled fan relay under dash, it kills one of the fans, the other one keeps going. I just don't know, so far I have not been able to locate a decent car to buy, nor have I been able to get financed, and mine isn't working, so generally I'm about to loose my job if this keeps up. Brandon

Didn't try the one under dash yet, I try to locate it tonight when I get home from work. Brandon

The one on the upper radiator hose connection to the block. The one with two leads off of it, it's NOT the one that controls the actual temperature gauge, the other one. Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci

Ok, went and replaced my thermostat and cleaned out my radiator and all that good stuff, no luck yet again, really frustrated at this point. Also with car running, I pulled the relays (from front to back) for the a/c one at a time, when I removed relay number 1 or 3, the fans seemed to kicked down a notch for speed but still continued, when I removed 1-4 all at once the fans did stop completely but the CEL remained on. I'm at a loss for words or where to turn... Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci

They are labeled, in the lid of the cover, just labeled oddly I would think, generally the fuses I pulled earlier were (under hood) the Sub Fan I believe is what it said and (under dash) main fan...small fuses that is. However, all the A/C ones are labeled just A/C SBF and no furthur details...But I'll try pulling each A/C one when I get home from work tonight one at a time and see if that changes anything as I pull them. Thank you. Brandon

It does do all of the same symptoms with A/C on or off, and heater on or off, I deffinitely wanted to test that, now the other thing is, my A/C is very cold, I just re-charged it last summer and it runs like it's new. As a matter of fact, if it's possible or if it's mental I'm not sure, but after I replaced my coolant temp. sensor it felt like it got even colder. And yes I have had a chiltons manual from when I bought the car. I just don't know where to go for reference. I see in the under-hood fuse/relay box there are 5 A/C relay/fuses under there, know which one it is that I should pull? And as far as blaming subaru for anything...no I do not, I love subaru still, it is an old car and going this long without problems and about 130,000 miles, 40 of those my own with no problems. The only reason I would go to Toyota is because the car prices I've been looking at in my area seem to fit what I could buy better than subaru could. I would still recommend subaru to anyone at anytime. P.S. I have two sensors, one with just one lead that controls the temp gauge, the other one is the one I replaced, with two leads one for the ECU and one for the fans, from what I understand. I'll go ahead and find the one that I need to pull to test in my manual if you can just provide the name of it. Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci

Ok so each one, no matter what model, states the coolant temp. sensor or circuit. Well it must be a circuit because I just replaced the temp. sensor and i still have the exact same problem. Now I am not trying to brag anything up or something of the sort but the wiring and everything on my car is CLEAN, and I discovered this basically by looking through connectors and wiring, no dirt, no loose connections and no cuts or crimps, now I know this could still be electrical flow itself, but I wouldn't know where to begin or what...as far as getting a new car I'm looking into a subaru baja and if not that, I may be leaving the subaru world and go for a toyota, nothing other than a RAV 4 however if I go toyota. Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci

Ok did the whole self self-diagnostics thing, only code that it spit out was 2 long blinks and 1 quick blink, so if I'm getting this right, the code is 21. Please is someone knows what this is, let me know, and don't let this stop you from helping me but if I can't get it with this, I'm going down to the dealer and buying myself a brand new subaru. I'm tired of messing with repairing cars. Thanks. Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci

Ok everyone, got the new sensor, disconnected and cleaned the contacts, installed the new sensor, made sure all lines where back in place, replenished coolant. Even went as far as to DC the battery and let the car sit for 10 minutes or so to reset the ECU, and all of this to no avail. Car still does the exact same thing with the exact same symptoms. Now at first thought I began to wonder "would it be the fuel injectors" but then it keeps taking me back to the fact that...the cooling fans stay on the entire time, making me think it is still something temperature related, you wouldn't think the ECU itself is fried in some parts, specifically that part?....please now I'm in need of real help because this puts me at basically square zero. And I repeat, no one near me has a code reader for my version of O.B.D. because they all have OBD II diagnostics....thanks in advance...P.S. if someone can find a regular OBD reader to buy, preferably online, please post the link because I have been completely unsuccessful in finding any code readers other than OBD II online... thanks. Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci 95 Subaru Impreza L 1.8 Liter

Ok located temp sensor unit, is under extensive wiring ETC ETC. I found it was located down and to the right of my PCV valve contrary to what my chilton manual said for my 1.8 L. Anyway, tried piddling with that no luck. (Mind you I had to take one of the last couple of availble days off of work because the stupid thing would not start to get me ther) Anyway, once I got it started good enough to drive it, I drove to several mechanics around my area, since mine is a 95, and that was the transition year from OBD to OBD II, no one has my connector to run a test on the CEL light, everyone has OBD II connectors but no versions before that, and of course mine is NOT OBD II...any input would be helpful, I guess at this point, is there some ease of replacing the sensor without practically dismantling the entire top side of my engine to get to the sensor??? Thanks for your input.. Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci

Ok, looked up the temp. sensor in my Chiltons, states that on the 1.2L the sensor is some where on the intake, however for mine for example, the 1.8L, it is on the radiator. I took a long look at the radiator, from top to bottom, and I cannot find where there is a sensor that goes on/in to the radiator, now on my old Jag, it was right there on the side and it stuck out, and the plug set up was the same as what my chiltons manual says, but I cannot locate this one to check it out, however while under there, I believe I found what would be the thermostat. On the lower radiator hose that leads to the engine, there is a diamond-ish shaped obeject with 2 bolts on each tip that hold it up to the radiator, in where I would believe to be the gasket, there is some built up greenish gunk, leading me to believe there may be a possibility of a leaking thermostat/gasket combo. If someone could give me some info if that is the correct assumption I would appreciate it and also if someone knows the exact location of this coolant temp. sensor on the radiator, please indulge me because I am lost as to where this thing is. I did take a look at some searches and some pictures that are posted on the site. Deffinitely helpful, but they were from a 2.2 liter, would my 1.8 have them in the same place? Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci 95 Impreza L 1.8 liter

Thank you all for the replies. If I may ask, where would the fan temperature sensor be located, along with the ECU's engine temperature sensor...I will take a look at both when I can find them... Thanks again! Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci

Greetings again to everyone! This will be the first problem I have had that was not, I guess you could say thus far "an easy fix"....About a month ago, when I would start my car while the engine was cold, it would be fine, then about at the half-way temperature point, the CEL light would come on, and so would my cooling fans. Then once it reached operating temperature, the CEL light would go off. As I posted before, once when this happened I brought the car to a stop to see how the engine was running when the CEL light did kick on, it ran at about 250 RPM's but did not stall... flash over to about 2 days ago, I get in and begin to start the car, and it cranked and cranked and cranked multiple times, strong battery, strong starter, no turn-over. After about 5 minutes of trying to start her, she did turn over, and her RPMs were extremely low, barely running, I attempted to give it some gas and it just bogged down even more. Anyway, about 2 more minutes after letting her do her thing, she was up to between 500 and 750 RPMs which is her normal, drove on home and she was fine, has not happened again...however what has changed as of today, is when I first start the car, the CEL light clicks on and remains on, and so do the cooling fans, and they are kicking on while the engine is cold. They run the whole time while driving (no matter what the temperature gauge does) and then when I get to my destination they continue to run until I turn the car off. To experiment, I pulled the fuses for each fan (one in engine compartment and the one in the interior compartment) The fans did stop however the CEL light remained on, so I figured ok, let me try to reset the computer of the car. Disconnected positive and negative terminals to the battery, let it sit about 30 to 45 minutes. Reconnected and still the same situation. Now, here is what is primarily bugging me: 1) What is this that is happening to my little Zubie? 2) I am a little worried since the problem started then got worse, can it get even worse from doing nothing? 3) Relating to question (2) if nothing can get worse, will it hurt to just leave the fans run all the time or will that burn them up? 4 and final)If I just pull the fuses for both fans and leave it like that, could that be of any damage since generally the fans never needed to kick on because my car never got that hot...I do apologize for this terribly long post, but I feel to have any idea you would need to know the whole story. As of right now also I have not had the CEL light diagnosed by a code scanner because I feel it may be possible to diagnose the problem but all of the other symptoms of the car besides the CEL light. Thanks to everyone in advance for any posts and please provide me with your input. Best Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci 1995 Subaru Impreza L 1.8 Liter

Sorry I also do not have a code reader, and probably will end up going and getting it tested from a store or something, but I also wanted to add, I did some "tests" on the car this weekend and when it got to the half way point and the CEL kicked on, I came to a stop to see what the car would do while not moving down the highway...results: RPMS bounced up and down and up and down, a variable between 500 and 1,000 RPMs, while this happened, and I believe the cause of this, the dual cooling fans were kicking on and off, then on and off again, when they would kick on, the CEL light came on, when they would go back off the CEL light kicked right off with them...and as usual, once the engine warmed up, no problem at all...the car also does not miss or run rough in the sense that it doesn't bog down or stall at all...I know this is not a code from a reader but I thought maybe someone could take a crack at a guess at what this odd situation might be. Thanks... Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci '95 Subaru Impreza L 1.8

Sorry this is not much of a reply for your question, but more of a CEL question similar to yours. My CEL light comes on every time when my temp gauge reaches the half-way mark to full operating temperature. It never comes on when cold, and goes off right away when fully warm, but stays on through the mid-range temperature....any ideas on the cause, I am completely lost on this one. Thanks in advance! Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci '95 Subaru Impreza L 1.8