dltrial Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Hi, The clutch was slipping on my 91 Loyale so I bought a new clutch, removed the transaxle, bolted the new clutch onto the flywheel and bolted the transmission back into place. I connected the shift lever and put the transmission in gear then used a socket on the crankshaft pulley bolt to turn the engine. I expected to see that the axle stubs (whatever they are rightfully called) coming out of the transaxle would be turning. But I don't see this. Was I wrong? Why would they not be turning? How can I check that the clutch is working at least partially before putting everthing together and trying to drive it? If the clutch is not working, what could I have done wrong besides putting the friction disk in the wrong way around? I am "sure" that I put it in right. I stared at it and read the 'this side towards flywheel' print on it before putting it in but I have put directional parts on wrong before in exactly the same way. Derek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallonX Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Did you readjust the clutch cable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dltrial Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 No the clutch cable is not connected. I figured that with no clutch cable the engine is connected to the transaxle. I would only need to connect the clutch cable to depress the clutch and sever that connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallonX Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Almost sounds like the throw out bearing is binding somewhere did you get it positioned correctly on the clutch fork? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dltrial Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Well I'm pretty sure that the throwout bearing is installed correctly. In any case the throwout bearing would only come into play if the clutch pedal was depressed. I want the clutch to be engaged so that turning the engine drives the transaxle. Do you see my logic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Dumb question but trans in gear? Not in gear........input shaft just spins free inside case.....no output to stubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dltrial Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yes, in gear. Unless ther is something not straightforward about connecting the shift linkage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallonX Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 If the throw out bearing is bound up creating pressure against the flex plate it will be acting like your foot is on the clutch peddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj421 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Maybe do it the other way. Put it in neutral and turn the front wheel(s) by hand. Pretty easy to turn. Now put it in gear and try again. If you notice no difference, put it in another [higher] gear and try again. If it gets harder to turn the wheel, you should be okay. Also, you're sure you have the pilot bearing on the flywheel? When I did my clutch swap, I stupidly forgot to put the pilot bearing in the new flywheel, so I had to take it all apart again. I would hook up the clutch cable, push in the clutch a few times and try it again. Did you have any issues with the clips that hold the TOB on the clutch fork? Probably not causing the problem, but I had issues with 'em not holding it tight enough, so I had to get new ones from the dealership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dltrial Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 TallonX, it is easy to move the clutch fork so that the throwout bearing is not in contact with the clutch plate. jj421, yes, pilot bearing is in place and I'm pretty sur that the clips are ok. I guess I will put it in neutral and different gears or connect the clutch cable as you suggest. I don't know what else to do other than to remove it again before going any farther and if I don't see anything wrong, then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 gear selection can be difficult, maybe not actually happen?? if the engine stay rod between firewall and engine is not in place ...... did you fit this back in before trying? I don't think you can fit the clutch plate in wrong faceway and bolt it all back together nicely without realising first, maybe not first, but as you tighten things, on these clutches. Think fly to crank bolt heads interfere .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dltrial Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 jono, The stay rod is in place. You may be right that the clutch friction plate cannot be bolted in the wrong way, I don't know. I would have to try it. However, it is the only thing I can think that could be done wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dltrial Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 Ok, mystery solved. I could only turn the crankshaft through a small arc because of the cooling fan. I had it in too low a gear to see the stub axles move. When i put it in 5th then I could see that they do indeed move so the clutch is connecting the engine to the transaxle after all. I think I have the clutch cable put properly back in place, now I have to figure out how to adjust it in order to verify that the clutch will disconnect the engine from the transaxle. Thanks everyone for thinking about my problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Clutch cable should be just a bit shy of tight.....just a tiny bit of slack until you push the pedal. Once you get it set.....then HillHolder adjusts to where it pulls HH cable at the point where the clutch cable gets tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dltrial Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 Thanks Gloyale. Does the putting the parking brake on change the position of the hill holder cable? That is, does the parking brake need to be off to adjust the cable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Thanks Gloyale. Does the putting the parking brake on change the position of the hill holder cable? That is, does the parking brake need to be off to adjust the cable? no. seperate systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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