spooky3298 Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 Our 03 Outback wagon AT throttlebody has been replaced, under warranty, but still carbons up at the throttlebody valve, making it sticky off of idle. Antone else have this problem? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 The throttle body on every EFI car I've owned has done that ... so I clean it every summer. It tends to get more gunked up if you spend time at full throttle (mountains, etc.). **** ******! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3298 Posted February 10, 2006 Author Share Posted February 10, 2006 The throttle body on every EFI car I've owned has done that ... so I clean it every summer. It tends to get more gunked up if you spend time at full throttle (mountains, etc.). **** ******! Thanks..I clean it every oil change. We live in the mountains.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 One trick I've seen done (never tried it) to minimize the problem is to splice a fuel filter into each PCV line. You'll need three: one between each valve cover and the air box, and one more between the PCV valve and the air box. Those small, see-through glass-bodied ones (for hot-rod roadsters) that use a fine nylon mesh would be good. This'll keep the crankcase oil-mist and blowby gasses from backing up into into the airbox and then getting sucked past the throttle-blade every time you go full throttle. **** ******! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3298 Posted February 15, 2006 Author Share Posted February 15, 2006 One trick I've seen done (never tried it) to minimize the problem is to splice a fuel filter into each PCV line. You'll need three: one between each valve cover and the air box, and one more between the PCV valve and the air box. Those small, see-through glass-bodied ones (for hot-rod roadsters) that use a fine nylon mesh would be good. This'll keep the crankcase oil-mist and blowby gasses from backing up into into the airbox and then getting sucked past the throttle-blade every time you go full throttle. **** ******! Thanks. Sounds like a worth while project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 The only problem with scheme is the fact that the filters would need to be serviced yearly. Might be be more maintanence intensive than just cleaning the T/Body. **** *****L! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I did this on my old 90 Grand Am. The fuel filter on my PCV hose definately got some snotty looking blow-by slime stuff in it. This seemed to help the TB stay more clean. One trick I've seen done (never tried it) to minimize the problem is to splice a fuel filter into each PCV line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillowsplat Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I have an 03 Outback wagon 4 cyl. On the cool mornings my pedal sticks till I give it a bit more pressure then it goes away till the next morning. Sounds similar to your problem. I thought it was the cables. I greased them with no sucess. Anybody have a link on how to clean the throttle body? Thanks John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I bought some throttle body cleaner at autozone and just sprayed it in there. It took the gunk right off. I opened and closed it a bit to get both sides. I suppose I could have also taken a toothbrush or something to it. Be careful to not put in too much at a time, though. I had to crank my car for about ten seconds before it started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raulcruz01@earthlink.net Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Maybe this will help my mpg's?? Can someone give me a step-by-step instruction (pictures?) on how to do this on a 1996 obw? Many thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 It's pretty straightforward. Take off the plastic cover, loosen the hose clamp that attaches the intake to the throttle body with an 8mm socket, and spray some TB cleaner in. Oh boy that's a dirty engine bay. I used this stuff. You might accidentally pull out the pcv hoses so make sure they're attached after you put everything back together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raulcruz01@earthlink.net Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Jamal, Thanks so much, man! You guys are great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerFahrer Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I hope you guys aren't talking about the black goo around the throttle plate... That's SUPPOSED TO BE THERE!! That helps seal the throttle plate shut when you're off the gas, so that the IAC valve can properly regulate idle. If you clean that goo off, you will have idle problems. In my opinion, don't ever clean the throttle body or IAC valves on these cars. They're non-serviceable, non-cleanable parts. Messing with them will only screw them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevecd Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I hope you guys aren't talking about the black goo around the throttle plate... That's SUPPOSED TO BE THERE!! That helps seal the throttle plate shut when you're off the gas, so that the IAC valve can properly regulate idle. If you clean that goo off, you will have idle problems. In my opinion, don't ever clean the throttle body or IAC valves on these cars. They're non-serviceable, non-cleanable parts. Messing with them will only screw them up. lol and i always thought that black goo was dirt or oil coming from somewhere oops...:-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I hope you guys aren't talking about the black goo around the throttle plate... That's SUPPOSED TO BE THERE!! That helps seal the throttle plate shut when you're off the gas, so that the IAC valve can properly regulate idle. If you clean that goo off, you will have idle problems. In my opinion, don't ever clean the throttle body or IAC valves on these cars. They're non-serviceable, non-cleanable parts. Messing with them will only screw them up. hmm well I am not having any idle problems. I didn't look in there and notice any goo, I just thought a quick shot with tb cleaner might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I have an 03 Outback wagon 4 cyl. On the cool mornings my pedal sticks till I give it a bit more pressure then it goes away till the next morning. Sounds similar to your problem. I thought it was the cables. I greased them with no sucess.My '02 has a stickyness to the throttle cable. It's not sticky to the extent that it would hang open or anything, but just sticky enough so it's difficult to drive smoothly sometimes. **** ******! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I hope you guys aren't talking about the black goo around the throttle plate... That's SUPPOSED TO BE THERE!! That helps seal the throttle plate shut when you're off the gas, so that the IAC valve can properly regulate idle. If you clean that goo off, you will have idle problems. In my opinion, don't ever clean the throttle body or IAC valves on these cars. They're non-serviceable, non-cleanable parts. Messing with them will only screw them up. I think Josh first brought that up. The conclusion was that, if so*, it was only for the very first model year Legacies. For example, I cleaned both my IAC and throttle body causing no idle problem whatsoever (96 2.2L). * My opinion on that is that a throttle plate needing goo to close properly would be a very poor design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerFahrer Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 The conclusion was that, if so, it was only for the very first model year Legacies. That could be a possibility. If your throttle plate has a lot of black goo on it, I suggest you not wash it off. Your throttle body shouldn't be getting THAT dirty anyway. Little, if any, carbon deposits should be on it, because it's doing nothing but inducting clean air from your air filter. The gas fumes entering the throttle body from the EVAP system are negligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 The really neat thing is that you clean the goop off and decide you liked it better with the goop there ...don't sweat it. It'll all be back there within a year. **** ******! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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