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Gen 3 starter issue
Posted 28 January 2008 - 07:47 PM
Posted 28 January 2008 - 08:03 PM
Here is a link to a nice post someone made on how to change the contacts.
Posted 28 January 2008 - 08:17 PM
Posted 28 January 2008 - 08:29 PM
Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:45 AM
You could replace it with a cheapo, made in china pushbutton switch... or you could use a quality bosch relay, of a type used millions of times over in the world, and not have to worry about the problem ever again.
It's your call; I have yet to hear of any fires caused by installing a pushbutton starter switch. *I* sure wasn't going to be the first though
Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:01 PM
Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:07 PM
Add a fused wire from a good 12v source and run a pushbutton. Set it up with a relay if you like, but the there really isn't a need. All you need is 6feet of wire, a female pade, and a pushbutton.
Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:46 PM
Posted 29 January 2008 - 01:07 PM
you speak, several of which had this problem.
15 minute fix,
no starter removal
no mystery button
Hope this helps
Posted 29 January 2008 - 01:36 PM
Just adding a relay still relies on the failing switch. It will continue to build carbon on it's contacts, and eventually will not conduct enough amperage for a the relay, leaving you back the owner back to square one.
I always wire in a pushbutton for myself.
If it is for a customer, who wants to retain the full "stock" effect, I wire a relay. But install a pushbutton discreetly under dash, parallel to the ignition switch, in case of future failure, so they aren't stuck somewhere.
Posted 29 January 2008 - 01:55 PM
The current needed to trigger the relay is so small
the ig switch will provide this for years.
Repeat ... I have never had an ig sw fail
to a point that it would not pull the relay closed.
Do as you wish.
You can always add the magic button later to trigger the
Now you'd have the best of both worlds.
Posted 29 January 2008 - 02:29 PM
Come to think of it, if I didn't know better, I'd think that all subes came with push button, all 5 of my old gens had them, before I owned them...weird.
Posted 31 January 2008 - 03:54 PM
Then one day, his younger brothers Camaro burned to the ground from some wiring issue with his stereo. No NASA-style post mortem investigation; no one ever found out EXACTLY what caused the fire. Just an errant spark.
Phizinza damn near burned his fantastic brumby to the ground last fall. Just someone try to say he is a drop shy of 110% competent in his fabrication/builder skills.
Electricity and gasoline are two things on an automobile NEVER to play games with. Thats what relays were invented for. Granted, there are ways to solve this issue without the relay...... but to do anything else with proper safety engineered into it (meaning fallbacks engineered in place for the inevitable failure of a perfect install) is far more expensive, because you need to get top-quality switches and fusing.
All the "high" current wiring for my starter solenoid (all two feet of it) is running a pathway under my hood, away from all other plastic, rubber, and combustible bits. When something goes wrong there (it may take decades longer than I have the car, but it WILL fail) it will only harm itself.
Failure is not a possibility; it is inevitable. When that inevitablity is not taken into account, the door to catastrophe is left open. Granted, in this case its only a crack.. but a crack is enough to kill a Camaro.
When potential consequences are this dire, miniscule risk becomes amplified in any good engineer's head. I have seen my car beginning to burn; rest assured, it changes your life.
I think this is Phiz's brumby:
Now, am I being an old maid about it?? Maybe. But this old maid will NOT be getting hot in the near future.
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