Kwhistle Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 So I've had this car for less than a month. Seems like starting in the mornings have been getting worse and worse, kinda scared in a couple days it just not gonna start at all. After I drive a little bit, seems like all is ok. Also lights/radio work in the morning just fine. Took it Autozone to do the free check, and the battery, alternator, and starter checked out fine. I got a multimeter, and going to check the voltage on the battery tomorrow, just to see if there a short somewhere that's draining the battery overnight, but that seems unlikely. Anyone else experienced/resolved something like this? Could this be the ignition coil? Spark plugs? Starter bad despite testing ok and starting just fine after the car ran for a while? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Typically crank and cam angle sensors cause this. They don't fail often and are easy to replace so getting a used one is a fine solution. Not sure how to determine which one is causing it though. Might want to search for threads on those two items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwhistle Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 Thanks! Will definitely try that. Maybe one at a time. They are not terribly expensive, $30-45 at Autozone, so maybe I'll try one of them or the other, and return if it doesn't fix it. Gonna try cleaning the connectors first though. Hopefully that will do the trick just by itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster2 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 How old, and how many miles on spark plugs and plug wires. Especially worn out plugs, make a car hard to start, and run bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwhistle Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 It's a 98, with close to 200000 miles. Spark plug wires were replaced recently. I was thinking of replacing the plugs, but haven't got to it yet, just because it's not that easy, and I don't have a garage. But I didn't notice any particular problems driving, especially for a car with this mileage. Just tested the battery with a multimeter, It really seems to be just a starting issue. Checked the battery also, and it is fine, 12.5V just before it was cranking for about 20 seconds before starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl2tosl2 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 It's a 98, with close to 200000 miles. Spark plug wires were replaced recently. I was thinking of replacing the plugs, but haven't got to it yet, just because it's not that easy, and I don't have a garage. But I didn't notice any particular problems driving, especially for a car with this mileage. Just tested the battery with a multimeter, It really seems to be just a starting issue. Checked the battery also, and it is fine, 12.5V just before it was cranking for about 20 seconds before starting. Does it turn over and not start? Or does it have trouble turning over? I've seen behavior like this caused by bad/worn out plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allpar Mod Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 You were kinda vague on whether the starter was cranking and the engine just wasn't catching or vice versa, no crank. If it is cranking, it is possible that moisture in the ignition could be a culprit. Definately plugs that are fubared would figure in to this issue also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 You were kinda vague on whether the starter was cranking and the engine just wasn't catching or vice versa, no crank. If it is cranking, it is possible that moisture in the ignition could be a culprit. X2. A better description of the problem will help with diagnosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwhistle Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 Fair enough, but a bit hard to describe. I'm not sure if it was turning, if the engine was catching up. I turned the key, and instead of cranking and starting, it just continued to make that screeching noise that usually last only a second or so without it actually starting up. If I were to guess, I'd say the engine wasn't catching up and it was just feeding the starter from the battery. Still, I found it surprising that once started, the engine seemed to function normally. And it is starting just fine if the engine is hot, and with a bit of hesitation an hour or two after driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98obster Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 how long are you letting the glow plug warm up . okay seriously, when you turn the ignition key to on-do you hear the fuel pump pressurizing? I alway give it 2-3 seconds before I turn the key when it's cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwhistle Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 LOL... Well, I'll try leaving the key on "On" for 10-20 secs. Also gonna get new spark plugs tomorrow. NKG Platinum or Bosch Platinum +2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 If you can find them use Denso. Those are the Original equipment plugs from what I understand, the ones you'd get from a Subaru dealer if you went there. If not the next closest thing would be NGK. If this were a european car Id say use Bosch. Best to keep countries of origin the same for cars and parts. It really does help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwhistle Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 Just to update this thread, finally replaced the spark plugs today. Seems like the car is starting smoother, but today was a warm day. The plugs look like they are the originals that came with the car. Can't believe the thing actually drove with these! Here's a pic, the new NGK Platinum is the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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