smallwwb Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 My '88 DL with 200k refuses to start. Not even a slight catch. turns freely. I have checked the fuel delivery (spfi), checked the spark (New distributor etc.) and it looks good. I tried doing a compression check by turning the motor over, and I can't get an accurate reading. Maybe I'm not doing it right. Any other things that could be wrong? I am suspecting bad head gasket leaks. It has newer timing belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxleone Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Have you checked the timing belts? The belts themselves might be new, but that doesn't help if a tensioner seizes. Rip off the two outer inspection covers and just take a peek. 5 minutes work or less to definitely make sure its not the belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msteel Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 New distributor etc. Have you rechecked the spark timing after the distributor was off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallwwb Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 Have not checked the timing, but did compression test today, and the left-side cylinders both test 0, so I'm thinking a blown head gasket at least, if not a cracked head. Is it worth doing the heads, or should I get a new motor? I imagine it's pretty tired at 200k anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxleone Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Have not checked the timing, but did compression test today, and the left-side cylinders both test 0, so I'm thinking a blown head gasket at least, if not a cracked head. Is it worth doing the heads, or should I get a new motor? I imagine it's pretty tired at 200k anyway. I'm pretty sure thats a belt gone right there bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesFox Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 i hope you come back to let us know what you find out! i second a broken timing belt, driver side belt. take off the cap and see if the rotor turns when you crank the motor, easiest way to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msteel Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) It does sound like it could be a timing belt, with a valve stuck open on each head. But, if after all this there is still spark, then that means the distributor is turning, so the belt isn't broken in that case. If the cam is turning and you still have 0 compression, then it's the head gasket or something worse. Edited February 25, 2010 by msteel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 You stated the left side of the engine has no compression and I assume you mean the driver side when you say that. I thought the left side cam drove the disty shaft but maybe I am mistaken. If it is the left side then the rotor isn't turning in the disty most likely. I would have to say for sure the timing belt has broke on that side. You couldn't have that low of compression without serious engine damage otherwise and it would be very 'obvious to the most causual observer'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94Loyale Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Cougar, you are right. The driver side timing belt does drive the distributor. It's not that often these blow HG's...non turbo's atleast. Before you start worrying about a motor, zero compression on one side is a pretty good start. Pull the timing belt covers off and see if one broke. It's not difficult, just a few 10mm's. And it's super common for this to happen, many of us run without timing covers for this reason Or, as stated, you can pull the disty cap off and see if the rotor is turning. If it isn't, then I'd say the driver side belt is off at the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Thanks for the confirmation about the cam drive for the disty 94Loyale. If the belt is broken for that side then just removing the disty cap and watching for rotation while cranking the engine will verify the belt status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallwwb Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 So, I pulled the distributor cap and it rotates just fine. It's pretty new as well. I will pull the timing belt cover and have a look-see but head gasket or worse is sounding very likely. Also, last time it ran it blew white smoke pretty bad, and the coolant level is low after filling it up before testing began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartier Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 sounds like a blown headgasket to me! i just did my headgaskets but now its not starting.. timingbelts are good and the timings correct but i think the disty is off? maybe no spark.. not sure yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfire Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 well i must say gray or white smoke is a good indication of blown head gasket. so it has been everytime i have had that happen. in everything i have had smoke like that. all were not subaru. as for timing. if is not the headgasket and no cylinder pressure on one side i had that problem when i had timed the belts useing the zero degree mark on the flywheel. but which a little usmb readin on the manual. i went back and did it right. i had that not starting problem, then when i did it right by the usmb manual it starts and runs. well it now starts but wont stay running. off by a tooth i think. have not had time to get back to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallwwb Posted April 8, 2010 Author Share Posted April 8, 2010 Finally pulled the timing cover off the driver's side head, and lo and behold, the belt was not only off, but chewed up pretty good. New belt, tensioner springs, and the old gal started right up! Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Good deal. Thanks for the feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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