baltimore Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 need help spent $400 last week because of a blow n go 2 tow jobs and a lock out code 90 legacy 295k gotta make 300k me and dw and dog coming home from dinner car dies pull over try to start get that no compression sound thinking timing belt .Tear apart was a water pump[bads] caused timing belt issue miss blow n go reading car is locked out .My fought im old cant see put belt on use arrow on crank gear [bbrrrr] wrong dummy pay $50bucks to blow n go people for a lock out code good for 4 hrs car docent start .Find pictures w hat i did wrong .Tear back apart put together crank gear mark at 12[arrows at 3 have to have towed to blow n go place to avoid a violation you cant try to start it push it in blow n go place they read it thinking im cool im driving home it dosent start have to have towed home again its getting spark as far as fuel i undid hose on fuel filter its right there it had pressure any ideas what it could be thanks bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Check your timing marks again. Pic is from this post http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/97139-99-legacy-outback-25-jumped-timing-still-need-advice/ If you tried to start it a couple times with the timing off its possible it just flooded. Try cranking it with the gas pedal on the floor for 10 seconds or so to clear the cylinders of fuel. Edited January 21, 2017 by Fairtax4me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmdew Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 It would help to know year and motor you have in it. If you broke the timing belt while running, you may have bent valves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltimore Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 thanks for the map i messed up the first time but i think i have it right this time its a1990 2.2 legacy thanks for the help but is there any other reason it wont start that i dont know about spark i pulled plugs fuel is the pressure at the filter enough to verify that thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmdew Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 No bent valves it's a non interference engine. Make sure the Cam and Crank Sensor plugs hooked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec03 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) If all your problems started due to water pump causing a failure [of what?], then the problem is in your work with the timing belt. Maybe you inadvertently disconnected the cam or crank sensor as noted above. Or maybe your timing problem was caused by a bad tensioner, and you mistakenly thought it was the water pump. Having fuel pressure before the filter is probably good enough although you can always check by squirting starter fluid into the intake. It should start and run for 20 sec if fuel is a problem. Whats this about not being about to try and start the car "to avoid a violation?" We in the midwest do think the regulations in the coastal states are crazy, but not that crazy. Edit: thanks fairtax4me for the explaination. ps. Congratulations on getting to 295K miles! Edited January 21, 2017 by mikec03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Blow-n-go is a breathalyzer. I've worked on a few vehicles with them. Mechanics can get service access codes that last for an hour so the car can be started and test driven before and after repair, but for the vehicle owner it's not so easy. If the timing is definitely right then either the cam or Crank sensor could have been damaged when the belt broke. Try checking it for codes maybe. If you have a u-pull junkyard nearby those are usually easy to get and fairly easy to swap just to test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltimore Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) water pump bearing went up assuming that's what caused the belt to break, tore it back apart today i cant see the best but the marks look right .Took some pics if i can figure out how to post Edited January 21, 2017 by baltimore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltimore Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 if the cam or Crank sensor went bad would you still get spark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltimore Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 With either one bad you could still get spark but it may not be in proper time. Hard to tell in the pics but it looks like the drivers side cam may be off a bit. I see something just about 1/2" to the left of the paint on that drivers cam but can't tell if it's the notch mark or just a knick. Are the notch marks under the paint on yours? Sometimes the notch marks are painted and sometimes not. Did you remove the cam pulleys for any reason? Isnt the main engine wire harness connector just above the drivers side head? Did you have to unplug that to get to the covers? If so did any dirt get in there? Any bent pins? They can also be a pain to get clicked back together all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmdew Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Step one, get a wire brush and clean the front face of the gears so you can see the actual timing mark "I" Then make sure it's timed correctly. If you have spark, put a cap of fuel in the intake and see if it starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I found the tooth count to be a good last-ditch check for correct timing, find the tooth count for that engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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