kb9sxc Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Clutch, or something else... This is what I have. My 2000 Outback seems to have some problems for the last month or so. Sometimes, not always, only in second, third and sometimes fourth gear. When I put it in gear and if I accelerate slowly it is almost always ok. When I try to accelerate fast it seems like something is skipping. It is lasting only second or two, the rpm on the engine stays the same. I'm not sure if its the clutch or something else. If it was the clutch, and if I allow it to slip multiple times, should I be able to smell it? I had a trusted mechanic look at it, and he agrees with me that if this was clutch problem it should smell. He checked it on the computer and everything looks ok. He said that he also checked the suspension and that looked good as well. At this point, I can only dive it and see what happens next. Any suggestions? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Clutch "judder" or shudder is a common problem in that year. It is normally confined to starting out in first gear though. The fix is a new clutch and p.plate If you try http://www.nasioc.com/ Search clutch problem or shudder you will find a wealth of info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kb9sxc Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Judder it is something that I just leared to drive with eversince the car was new. However, it is different from what's happening in second, third and fourth gear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Clutch "judder" or shudder is a common problem in that year. It is normally confined to starting out in first gear though. The fix is a new clutch and p.plate If you try http://www.nasioc.com/ Search clutch problem or shudder you will find a wealth of info Actually slipping shows up first in the upper gears, by the time it shows up in first gear your clutch is freid. No you cant always smell the clutch slipping in the upper gears because your moving. TryTarting the car from a dead start in third gear, the car should buck and stall. If you can do it your clucth is on its way out. The good news is that it just starting. HOw many miles on this car? nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Sorry Nip, I beg to differ You are talking about a totally different situation If you need proof I will provide it. I own one of these with less than 40 k on it. I have researched it extensively. I have been driving clutch propelled cars since..... well a long time normally getting over 100 kmi on a clutch you want to differ please use the instructions I provide in my original post then come back and post your proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kb9sxc Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 The car has 83k mi on it and if I try to go from stop into third gear it will die... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Sorry Nip, I beg to differ You are talking about a totally different situation If you need proof I will provide it. I own one of these with less than 40 k on it. I have researched it extensively. I have been driving clutch propelled cars since..... well a long time normally getting over 100 kmi on a clutch you want to differ please use the instructions I provide in my original post then come back and post your proof \ er um i am not here to challange you, i am here to offer suggestions like everyone else,. Since you wish to point out quaifications: Im 43, been driving sticks since I was 16, and have torn apart many a drivetrain and rebuilt them. I have been pulling a wrench since I could pick one up next to my father, who was a navy mechanic. And for the record, since you sem so well informed, clutches do not propel cars, Engines propel cars, clutches dont, they just provide a emas for disconectiing the propulsion source to allow one to change the gear ratio and allow for one to stop at traffic lights. i also have a degree in automtive engineering. My last stick shift car, a subaru, had 180,000 MILES on the original clutch. i regularly get over 130, 000 miles or more on a clutch Now instead of blindly pointing somone to a general link, if you have done so much research, one should share information like : http://www.onthehoist.com/index.php/2004/03/30/p24 http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-424800.html http://www.carsurvey.org/viewcomments_review_52481.html http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=45128&highlight=clutch+chatter http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1041&page=2&pp=10&highlight=clutch+chatter http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1041&page=2&pp=10&highlight=clutch+chatter Now i may have been wrong, and ill be the first to admit it, but i would suggest if you have information, help the poor guy out instead of trying to make me look bad, personally i dont care how i look From the links it looks like there is a fix, but still requires taking the car apart. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kb9sxc Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 Nipper, Thanks for all the links and all the information. After few weeks of looking into this issue, the Tranquil kit almost fits perfect in to the puzzle. If anyone knows if this kit is something approved by Subaru of America please let me know. Regardless, my first phone call on Tuesday will be to SoA to see what else they have to say about their clutch design. It blows my mind that with so many people being unhappy with their manual transmissions, SoA is just sitting quite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setright Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I would like to hear more about the symptoms. If the rpm don't rise more than normal then the clutch isn't slipping. And I agree that you wouldn't smell it at speed. It might be worth replacing the transmission mount, when they go soft the allow the gearbox to move around to much and that could cause "skipping". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Nipper, thanks for the links and the background info I was wrong it must be "slipping" like you said I read skipping not slipping my apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kb9sxc Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Transmission mount, is this internal or external to the engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setright Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 External, belly of the car. Up on a lift, support tranny with a big jack, unscrew old mount, screw on new mount... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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