Gravityman Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Whats up Subaru freaks! So my friend picked up a 91 EJ22 4EAT AWD Legacy Wagon with 164K miles for only $300. The only things known that were wrong was the car wouldn't start, which was quickly narrowed down to the fuel pump, and the transmission sticks in first until the car heats up to operating temps. The fuel pump was a quick junkyard fix. Now we have to figure out what the deal is with the transmission. I have seen on another thread that a sticky governor or a modulator could be the cause on a 3EAT, but that was an OLDER model. Does anyone know what could be the cause? We flushed all the old trans fluid out, flushed all the lines, changed the internal and external filters, added a quart of Lucas to the trans and filled it with dextron III. Does anyone have any ideas? If so please share!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manarius Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Are you sure it's 1st, not third? And what kind of outside temperatures are we talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john in KY Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 The 4EAT is designed to not upshift until the ATF reaches a certain temperature. Drop the pan and you will see the temperature sensor, about the size of a pencil. My wag is this sensor needs replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravityman Posted March 30, 2008 Author Share Posted March 30, 2008 The outside temp is between 55-75. Shouldn't be a problem. My other ej shifts just fine in colder weather. It is stuck in first gear. It hit 4k revs at about 20 mph. I will try to find that sensor and pull one from the junkyard. Hopefully that is all it is. Anyone else have an idea? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 WHat happens when it is manually shifted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-fleet-feet Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Try the sensor first. What was the magnet like when you got into the trans the first time? Was it sludge-o-rama on the bottom of the pan? Maybe the previous owner didn't take care of it as well as necessary and you broke a lot of crud loose. Hopefully this is a minor problem, easily fixed, and you got the AT worked on in time. What does it sound like when you manually run through the gears at a full stop? Whines/clunks? No sound? Lurch? No lurch? Once it's warm, can you automatically or manually shift down without lurches or weird whines? Let us know. Dex III was right, but did you doublecheck the level? Subie ATs are notoriously finicky about problems after overfilling even by so little as a cup, and that stick is so $%^(@!#**!! - uh, difficult to get a good reading on. You didn't mention if this happens when you stay strictly in Drive or also when you manually try to shift up. If you can manually shift up to 2-3-D and you can't get it out of 1st when you're strictly in D, weelll... that's a different kettle of fish... may the sensor fix your AT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravityman Posted March 30, 2008 Author Share Posted March 30, 2008 If i can remember right it was sticking, my friend shifted into first and then second and the transmission finally shifted in to second also. I think once he shifts manually and then back into drive it free's up the trans and then shifts all day with no problems. I will have to double check that and make sure that happens all the time. The magnet looked like a flower of metal flakes with metal flakes lining the bottom of the pan. While sitting the tranny shifts through all gears fine and sounds great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravityman Posted March 31, 2008 Author Share Posted March 31, 2008 Well today it stuck in 3rd gear for about 2-3 miles. And then we figured we would jump the car a few times and then race it through a field with rutts to see if that would loosen up the transmission. SERIOUSLY! JUMPS AND RUTTS! We will see if the trans acts up tomorrow morning. If so then it is back to the trauma treatment! We had all 4 wheels off the ground! For a $300 EJ22 wagon that thing drives awsome! The suspension handles great and it didn't even feel like we hit the ground that hard when we landed. That car is freaking awsome!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Well today it stuck in 3rd gear for about 2-3 miles. And then we figured we would jump the car a few times and then race it through a field with rutts to see if that would loosen up the transmission. SERIOUSLY! JUMPS AND RUTTS! We will see if the trans acts up tomorrow morning. If so then it is back to the trauma treatment! We had all 4 wheels off the ground! For a $300 EJ22 wagon that thing drives awsome! The suspension handles great and it didn't even feel like we hit the ground that hard when we landed. That car is freaking awsome!!! Well the transmission may be the least of your issues in the near future got to love a good 300.00 car nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aircraft engineer Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 do a flush and it will likely shift OK. I take it you dropped the pan and cleaned the screen? sounds like some crud in the shifter system. in old 'Murcun stuff that used to be the governor crudded up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravityman Posted April 1, 2008 Author Share Posted April 1, 2008 Where the heck is the governor on the 4EAT? If you can send me a picture on the location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aircraft engineer Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 maybe I could for a Chev powerslide or Chry 727 but not for a Sub. I know NOTHING... (Sgt Schultz mode ) I SAID OLD 'MURCAN STUFF!! the ones I used to work on when I was working on some of that stuff was before you were even THOUGHT OF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Where the heck is the governor on the 4EAT? If you can send me a picture on the location. I would if there was one, but there isnt. http://www.endwrench.com/pdf/feb2004pdf/4EAT.pdf It uses two VSS sensors, one in the tranny (and i think in yours) one in the spedo head. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravityman Posted April 1, 2008 Author Share Posted April 1, 2008 Thanks nipper, I thought I was loosing my mind! I looked all over and through the CRAP Chiltons and FSM (not as crappy) but could not find anything. This would explaine why I could not find it. I would if there was one, but there isnt. http://www.endwrench.com/pdf/feb2004pdf/4EAT.pdf It uses two VSS sensors, one in the tranny (and i think in yours) one in the spedo head. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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