archemitis Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 none of this will everhappen, especially considering nobody wants to spend more than 500 bucks on the whole car, much less thousands on gearing. another "what if" never gonna happen thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott in Bellingham Posted August 5, 2005 Author Share Posted August 5, 2005 none of this will everhappen, especially considering nobody wants to spend more than 500 bucks on the whole car, much less thousands on gearing. another "what if" never gonna happen thread I hope to prove this mindset wrong Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 What are you going to use for a clutch to enguage gears smoothly if you have a gear/chain inplace of your flywheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subynut Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Um, I thought he was going to put the flywheel down by the tranny. That way he still has a clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanislru Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Try this link for trannie info, there's quite a few out there with 4.44... http://www.rallispec.com/Transmission%20chart.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott in Bellingham Posted August 7, 2005 Author Share Posted August 7, 2005 looking into the auto trans, maybe take a set of those planatary gears , and adapt it some how, anyone been inside one got any pictures , hopefully get one this week to rip into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Um, I thought he was going to put the flywheel down by the tranny. That way he still has a clutch. That still don't work which is why he's moved to the AT idea. I'm skeptical at best to an old Subaru AT holding upto offroad abuse. They don't even hold up on the roads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 wow, just saw the picture... good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott in Bellingham Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 havent obtained a Auto did pick up a dual range, cracked it open the low range looks like 19 to 23 ratio then 19 to 24 ratio = 1 to 1.6 still reaserching , this may take a while looking into the auto trans, maybe take a set of those planatary gears , and adapt it some how, anyone been inside one got any pictures , hopefully get one this week to rip into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott in Bellingham Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 the 4.44 look good, would still want something lower maybe a 1 to 2 reduction Try this link for trannie info, there's quite a few out there with 4.44... http://www.rallispec.com/Transmission%20chart.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subynut Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 2:1 reduction and 4.44s would be nice. Too bad you're all the way up in WA, my brother's got a toasted 3sp auto that he doesn't need anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike W Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 How about a Hummer or tractor portal hub between the engine and trans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott in Bellingham Posted August 16, 2005 Author Share Posted August 16, 2005 what about a belt reduction similar to this http://www.raven-rotor.com/html/kasper_turbo_1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSPFI Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 No belts.. the low range looks like 19 to 23 ratio then 19 to 24 ratio = 1 to 1.6 So the difference between high and low range is 1 tooth? Anyway to modify just that single gear? Im sure someone thats good at math could tell you the next possible matchup (19/xx) and how you would have to have it cut. They (Fuji) had to have come up with their numbers (19/23 and 19/24) somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanislru Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 I'm going to come into some money soon and I'm thinking of either having Mudrat or somenone else maybe try to source a 4.44 set of gears, it'll probly mean a good sum of money up front cause the newer trannies are $$$ and sure it;ll eat up alot of hours but for me right now a lower overall geared dual range is worth about 2 tho. If we could start with a rx trannies low range gear ratio 1.126? up top and then have the 1.65 bottom that'd be bang on for 30" tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott in Bellingham Posted August 17, 2005 Author Share Posted August 17, 2005 If we could start with a rx trannies low range gear ratio 1.126? up top and then have the 1.65 bottom that'd be bang on for 30" tires. explain this what do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanislru Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 The pinion is machined as part of the driven shaft, the whole shaft has to be replaced. However it is just the shaft and all the gears etc press onto the new shaft. The FSM shows the full time 4wd driven shaft to be the same between dual and single range. However, for some exciting news...... This pic comes from the L series and the Lib FSM and is for the part time 4wd gearboxes in each case. The top is the L series, bottom is Lib. To me the shafts pictured are identical, need this to be confirmed in actuality though. Why is this exciting????? Well, the Lib part time box was a 4.11 diff. So, if you can get hold of a Lib part time R&P then theres a good chance it will go into an L box. If you could pair up 4.44 [which was also available for the lib's too] R+P into either a liberty trannie or a Leone then you'd be set. Lower gears overall. So... swap the R+P and the rear diff ratio too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSPFI Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 That might just work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanislru Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 OK I'm going to order, from either an importer or somebody who's bought an imported jdm forester/wrx with the 4.44's, 4.44 trannie and rear diff, it seems some came with a center diff.I don't really want a center diff so I'll have to keep an eye on that #'s wise. If it can't be done then back up for sale they go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 This thread on AUSubaru.com BYB forums might shed some light on 4.44 gears. http://www.ausubaru.com/ausubaru/html/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4128&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=141d4f4b8a9925cc8bc76334c25d4e04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanislru Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 This thread on AUSubaru.com BYB forums might shed some light on 4.44 gears. http://www.ausubaru.com/ausubaru/html/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4128&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=141d4f4b8a9925cc8bc76334c25d4e04 Cheers, that helped a bit. I'm going to post there and see if anyone can give me the specifics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 all you realy need is an er27, or a ej. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanislru Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 all you realy need is an er27, or a ej. ?? What do you mean? I'd like to stay with the 82t untill I get a 4wd sedan to put the go fast stuff into. EJ maybe so I could mod the trannie for the 4.44's easier. another 50lb's of torque isn't going to help much, Yeah I could continue to flog the snot out of my car flailing through stuff with the ratio's I've got but fixing/replacing parts gets old. Most times 4 lo just isn't slo enough. If I can't sort out some gearing then I might be looking at an ej swap, but at that point I might as well lift a forester and just deal with the wagon's 22% over gearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 oh, your offroadin a turbo, thats why you want to do this... you cant crawl at wide open throttle when your makin boost a turbo motor has as much horsepower than an ea71 untill it starts boostin. its not about peak power at all. its about a fat motor with low end torque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanislru Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 oh, your offroadin a turbo, thats why you want to do this... you cant crawl at wide open throttle when your makin boost a turbo motor has as much horsepower than an ea71 untill it starts boostin. its not about peak power at all. its about a fat motor with low end torque A 9.5:1 set of pistons with turbo heads puts out close to the same torque as an spfi block/heads. I want lower gears so I can go easy on the clutch in technical sections and have closer ratio's in town. Torque's great and all but it's worthless if your gear ratio's 22% over[29's] with only a 1.6 reduction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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