bella Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Anyone now if everything is ok after installing and using LPG instead gasoline(on my type of car). Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 As long as you are using proper equipment, LPG is fine. Also gives you the option of running much higher compression ratios, so you can increase the efficiency of your engine. If I had the money for an LPG tank and throttle plate, my car would definitely be running on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bella Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 Interesting and thank you very much. Waiting more opinions from you guys..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty B Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I have been converted about a month, it uses 15% more gas than fuel but it is under 1/2 the price of fuel. I have a 100 litre tank in the Wonder Brumby and it gets me 750 kms for $56 Australian bucks. It is available at about 1 in 4 fuel stations here. I highly reccomend it. Low emissions, simple engine managment, gas prices are not directly affected by crude oil prices either. And its got a healthy octane rating too.... Good luck. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bella Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 Q: Your car has carb or injection....Because I need a part wich will "blow" LPG in my carb and dont't find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 From what I learned about LPG engines, they make more useable power at lower RPM's, and you need a higher voltage ignition coil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty B Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Bella, i have an EJ22 injected motor, but this is all bypassed. The gas is mixed in the throttle body, the injectors are not connected. Yes it makes awesome torque down low in the revs, but it came from a Legacy wagon and is now pushing 2/3 of the weight. Yes it needed a different coil. Yes its worth it for the power and simplicity. With our fuel and gas prices. ($1.35 litre 96 RON and $.56 litre LPG) $1 Aust = $.72 US. I can't see the price of oil coming down soon, and we don't import LPG into Australia, we produce our own. LPG conversion businesses are very busy . Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoomer Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Bella, i have an EJ22 injected motor, but this is all bypassed. The gas is mixed in the throttle body, the injectors are not connected. Yes it makes awesome torque down low in the revs, but it came from a Legacy wagon and is now pushing 2/3 of the weight. Yes it needed a different coil. Yes its worth it for the power and simplicity. With our fuel and gas prices. ($1.35 litre 96 RON and $.56 litre LPG) $1 Aust = $.72 US. I can't see the price of oil coming down soon, and we don't import LPG into Australia, we produce our own. LPG conversion businesses are very busy . Good luck. is lpg available in The States? does anyone know? Lpg what kinda fuel is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bella Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 I apreciate all your advices. Thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 is lpg available in The States? does anyone know? Lpg what kinda fuel is it? Liquified Petrolium Gas. Mix of butane & propane. Not sure about the proportions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomRhere Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 is lpg available in The States? does anyone know? Lpg what kinda fuel is it? Propane, just like a Gas Grill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoomer Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Propane, just like a Gas Grill. ok.. I knew I heard of that stuff... just wasn't sure were... what could I do to convert my car over to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausubaru92 Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 As Ross said, Liqufied Petrolium Gas The same gas that is used in gas stoves, water heaters and room heaters Gannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bella Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 Proportion: -summer:40%propane 60%butane -winter:60%butane 40%propane Any other questions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPGsuperchargedBrumby Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 one bonus with LPG is that you can advance the ignition timing a fair bit, i've run as high as 22 deg base with no problems on my current motor. im running around 18 deg at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstSubaruGLwagon Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 You guys know of any web pages discribing and illustrating the conversion process? Thanks, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstSubaruGLwagon Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 heres one site with some info on it. http://www.autogas-india.com/conv.html but im having a hard time finding LPG autogas providers here in NC USA. turns out LPG autogass is not the same as LP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack in Norfolk Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 What are the pros and cons of this conversion? Is the fuel cheaper (I can't remember the last time I bought propane) here in the states? Is the emmision any easier on the environment? I am always interested in alternative fuels. So far, Willie Fuel is my favorite http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/ But I haven't heard of any viable methods of converting subes to diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 heres one site with some info on it.http://www.autogas-india.com/conv.html but im having a hard time finding LPG autogas providers here in NC USA. turns out LPG autogass is not the same as LP In the USA, LPG ("propane") is the same for car or grill. You just need to find someone that sells in bulk quanitites: Suppliers of home propane tanks, refillers of grill tanks. These retailers are not all that common in metropolitan areas, but very common in semi-rural or rural areas. Prices very greatly (50% variance with 2 of my retailers that are 2 miles apart!). LPG has a high "octane" rating of approximately 110 (depending on blend), burns slower and ignites at a higher temperature which make it require a greater spark timing advance and higher energy ignition event ("hotter" spark). The LPG is liquified (duh!), and has to evaporate into a gas before it can ignite, which requires a large amount of heat to accomplish. It can be difficult to start a cold engine on propane. Propane's ignitable Air/Fuel ratio range is rather large compared with gasoline, so careful metering is not needed just to get it to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalewithcheese Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 What are the pros and cons of this conversion? Is the fuel cheaper (I can't remember the last time I bought propane) here in the states? Is the emmision any easier on the environment? I am always interested in alternative fuels. So far, Willie Fuel is my favorite http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/But I haven't heard of any viable methods of converting subes to diesel. if i remember right emmission wise it all but eliminates hydrocarbon emmisions, doesn't make your oil black with carbon deposits so you can extend your service intervals, and about 85% if lpg sold in the states is domestic, with about 12% of the left over 15% coming form canada and mexico...so you won't be lubricating the war machine. i've done some research for converting my 1969 big block 396ci GMC truck. it seems that you get more benefit with old, less effiecent motors as far as emmisions is concerned. when i actually have money to spend on my truck i will most likely do it, but unless gas goes way up and LPG says put i doubt i would do it on a soob. but that's just me =) propane is the most readily available alternative fuel on the US market. as northwet stated prices do vary wildley, but even so, you could easily drive across the US on propane. there is .gov site with a propane station locator, but i'm too lazy to go look for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack in Norfolk Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 if i remember right emmission wise it all but eliminates hydrocarbon emmisions, doesn't make your oil black with carbon deposits so you can extend your service intervals, and about 85% if lpg sold in the states is domestic, with about 12% of the left over 15% coming form canada and mexico...so you won't be lubricating the war machine. i've done some research for converting my 1969 big block 396ci GMC truck. it seems that you get more benefit with old, less effiecent motors as far as emmisions is concerned. when i actually have money to spend on my truck i will most likely do it, but unless gas goes way up and LPG says put i doubt i would do it on a soob. but that's just me =) propane is the most readily available alternative fuel on the US market. as northwet stated prices do vary wildley, but even so, you could easily drive across the US on propane. there is .gov site with a propane station locator, but i'm too lazy to go look for it. That is very interesting. The fact that my money won't be going to overseas oil is very appealing. This might be just the thing for my 93 grand cherokee. When I was going to James Madison University, there were quite a few University vehicles that were running on LPG. Is LPG any less stable than gasoline? Is the risk of explosion in a wreck any greater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 ... Is LPG any less stable than gasoline? Is the risk of explosion in a wreck any greater? LPG is under pressure, approximately 100-150PSI at our "normal" temperatures. It requires a rather heavy pressure vessel (think oxy/acetelyne tank, but scaled to fit 20-50 gals) by US-DOT regulations. If the tank ruptures in a crash (unlikely), risk of immediate ignition is minimal (has to vaporize, sucking huge amounts of heat from anything it touches), but the tank will continue to leak under pressure until it is empty, so it is a continued fire/explosion/BLEVE risk. It is heavier than air, so will spread along the ground to find any available ignition source. All that being said, the total real-world risk is exteremely low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalewithcheese Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Is the risk of explosion in a wreck any greater? in addition to northwet's comments, i'll add that what i've read indicates that the high standards LPG tanks face compared to normal gas tanks actually makes them a bit safer. one site claimed a properly mounted tank can even act as a structual support under impact. i'm no expert, but i've yet to see anything that proves they are less safe than a regular tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 The tanks are physically quite strong. The flip side is that nothing is stronger than its weakest link. There are fill and outlet fittings on the tank, and if these have the misfortune to take a hit then the tank will leak. BUT... any hit will likely cause a gasoline tank to leak. They are pretty safe (I would not hesitate to use one), but did I mention that they are heavy??? Oh, and bulky, too. Cylindrical, thick wall steel. You need to provide dead space in the tank for expansion, so they can only be filled to approximately 80% of gross capacity. LPG also contains less energy per unit measure than gasoline, so it gets lower distance/unit-volume ("mileage") in a vehicle optimized for gasoline, but should be able to break even on a vehicle optimized for LPG. It should run cleaner (emissions and oil contamination) than gasoline. The engine will likely run cooler: The energy to gasify the LPG has to come from somewheres, and typically comes from the cooling system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fud24682000 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 LPG is not the same as natural gas that's piped in by large utilities. Natural gas is methane. Ray Mac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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