q240z Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Well, the OBW's engine shakin' days are long gone. That new exhaust valve solved the problem, but now a new one has become apparent: this Subi shakes like a mutha on take-off. Hot or cold--doesn't matter. Only happens on initial take-off. No problemo on 1-2-3-4-5 upshifting or downshifting. Regular clutch release at regular rpm--judders most but not all of the time. Slow release at low rpm--BIG judders. Slow release at 1500-2000 rpm--BIG, kidney-bruising judders. Fast release at 1500-2000--not much of a judder, but the missus doesn't appreciate launching. The weird thing is that the previous owner gave me a receipt from the dealer in Pennsylvania (Minooka) for a $1000 clutch and rear separator plate replacement less than 20k miles ago. If this was a Datsun, I'd say somebody at the dealership was sloppy with the clutch plate and got some grease on it, since there're no oil leaks on the car. But then I noticed that '02 Subis are known for having clutch judder problems. The solution on many web sites: replace the clutch with an OEM Subi unit. Been there, done that. Any thoughts on this one? As always, thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphils Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 [subaru came out with a new clutch kit that includes a new flywheel. I would recommend buying the updated clutch kit. Do you know if the other dealer put in the updated style clutch? QUOTE=q240z]Well, the OBW's engine shakin' days are long gone. That new exhaust valve solved the problem, but now a new one has become apparent: this Subi shakes like a mutha on take-off. Hot or cold--doesn't matter. Only happens on initial take-off. No problemo on 1-2-3-4-5 upshifting or downshifting. Regular clutch release at regular rpm--judders most but not all of the time. Slow release at low rpm--BIG judders. Slow release at 1500-2000 rpm--BIG, kidney-bruising judders. Fast release at 1500-2000--not much of a judder, but the missus doesn't appreciate launching. The weird thing is that the previous owner gave me a receipt from the dealer in Pennsylvania (Minooka) for a $1000 clutch and rear separator plate replacement less than 20k miles ago. If this was a Datsun, I'd say somebody at the dealership was sloppy with the clutch plate and got some grease on it, since there're no oil leaks on the car. But then I noticed that '02 Subis are known for having clutch judder problems. The solution on many web sites: replace the clutch with an OEM Subi unit. Been there, done that. Any thoughts on this one? As always, thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Sounds like a clutch pure and simple. The next question is why, and what brand clutch parts they used to fix it last time. I did find this on the net, dont know how accurate it is http://www.pdm-csrk.com/ nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q240z Posted October 20, 2005 Author Share Posted October 20, 2005 The work was done by Subaru, so I assume it was done with Subaru brand parts, though there's no mention of a flywheel replacement on the work order. The work was done in at the end of 2003. I was under the impression that the clutch troubles were specifically associated with the 2002 model year cars. You don't suppose the dealer used parts in stock that he must have known were faulty, do you? Unfortunately, since the work was done so long ago I doubt they'll warranty it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Its always worht a shot to go back to subaru with the paperwork and see hwat thye say. Let them test drive it too. Could be a fialed pressure plate finger, a binding throwout bearing, or a bad oil seal. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonball Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I was under the impression that the clutch troubles were specifically associated with the 2002 model year cars. Nope clutch judder is a common complaint amongst all model years. However usually it's not as bad as you describe. Mostly on initial start up and when it's cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 organic clutches that chattered. When I got sick of the chatter in my 99 I had the kit fitted that cured 99% of it. My dealer did not know the new numbers and I had to order the upgraded clutch by the number or get one just like I had. Several folks posted the numbers for this kit at the time. I would think a search would find the proper numbers, if not I still have the recipts at home. It's been a couple of years now and my clutch is still pretty good. It turns out that organics are good for vegetables, but not so great in clutch lining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphils Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 PART NUMBER KIT WHICH INCLUES THE FLYWHEEL BUT NOT TH T.O. BEARING IS 32098AA020 organic clutches that chattered. When I got sick of the chatter in my 99 I had the kit fitted that cured 99% of it. My dealer did not know the new numbers and I had to order the upgraded clutch by the number or get one just like I had. Several folks posted the numbers for this kit at the time. I would think a search would find the proper numbers, if not I still have the recipts at home. It's been a couple of years now and my clutch is still pretty good.It turns out that organics are good for vegetables, but not so great in clutch lining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q240z Posted October 20, 2005 Author Share Posted October 20, 2005 Kewl. Thanks, johnphils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handtool Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 If your interested in going with the PDM snout kit I've got one for sale. http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38531 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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