Sonicfrog Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Murphy, the $500 87 Turbo Wag is sick. Here's the mystery. Today I drove to Madera, 20 miles from Fresno, to pay for a speeding ticket. Murph ran just fine on the way up. When I got all done and the court drained my wallet, I went to start Murph, and after turning over, it died. It starts, but even if I punch the gass, it just won't keep running. The fuel filter is about a year old, so I don't think that's the problem. Plus the fact that it died so suddenly. In the past few months, I have had a little quirck where, on hard acceleration, Murph would have the ocasion to misfire. But it hardly ever happened, and if it did, it was almost always when the engine was cool, so it was difficult to find the problem. I'm not getting any codes. Any ideas? PS. I'm going to connect the green connectors and see if this bypass will keep the engine running. If it does, that should give me a clue where to look next. Edited March 24, 2009 by Sonicfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 You might have a bad fuel pump or fuel pump relay causing the trouble. If you can keep the engine running by spaying short bursts of starter fluid into the intake every so often then check those areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicfrog Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 Kinda leaning in that direction. But won't know anything until tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 What kind of gas have you been using? Did you recently fill with cheap stuff? And how full is the tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicfrog Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 I always use either Beacon or Arco. And I've been using either 89 or 91 (depending on the budget). Question: if it's the fuel pump, would it have to come from a turbo, or can I use any from the SPFI series? Got to go work now. Sub'ing for high school math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 I think the main issue for the pump is if the engine is injected. Fuel injection requires the pump to run at a higher pressure than a carburated model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 I always use either Beacon or Arco. And I've been using either 89 or 91 (depending on the budget). Question: if it's the fuel pump, would it have to come from a turbo, or can I use any from the SPFI series? A different pump is speced for both, but there is some evidence here on the board that supports the theory either will work. SPFI pump will probably be working a little closer to it's limits, but would be fine. Also, you could go with the F-150, or 80's LTD pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicfrog Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Also, you could go with the F-150, or 80's LTD pump. Really? That's kinda wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicfrog Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 OK. I just tried starting the engine with the green test plugs connected. No difference. I pulled the main disty wire and I have a nice bright purple spark. Don't know if it means anything, but the fuel mix smells rich to me. I looked to make sure that there are no fuel leaks anywhere. I see nothing. I had a long day at work and didn't get around to doing much diagnostics. Will be back at it tomorrow, provided I have time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Check the timing belts to make sure one isn't broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicfrog Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Definitely not belts. Had that before. Plus, the covers are off and they're in tact. It's not behaving like the timing is off either. It cranks up just fine. The after a moment or two, it dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill90Loyale Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Check for a vacuum leak at the big intake hose from air filter to carb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Well if it starts up fine and only runs for a couple seconds and then dies it sounds to me that the fuel pump is being shut down for some reason. Check the ECU for error codes. As a test, you might also try bypassing power to the pump to see if that keeps it running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicfrog Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 No error codes. I'm not sub'ing today, so I should have more time to devote to the problem. My best guess is the fuel pump. I'll know more when I can get ahold of a fuel line pressure tester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicfrog Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hooray! Murph is throwing a code! 23 - OX sensor! I will double check. Then run to Kragen and get a new one (return it 'cause it's the wrong one, repeat cycle). I wonder if this is THE problem, or a byproduct of the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicfrog Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Grrr! 23 is MAS, not OX sensor! Well, at least I know where the problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 The code indicates the problem could be the sensor OR the circuit to the sensor. Be sure to check the wiring to it and make sure that is ok. It could be just a loose connection to the sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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