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#1 Pgh_Scoob

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:38 AM

Hey so I have been pondering this idea for a few months now and was wondering what input the more knowledgeable folks on here would have to say.

 

I was reading around on one post a little while back and one person mentioned missing their d/r in a baja.

I was always under the impression the the only d/r that is available readily in the US would be the old EA series transmissions.....Please correct me if wrong.

And with those transmission connecting them to the newer EJ Phase 2 series engine just cant hold up to the extra power... Again correct me if Im wrong..

So if they can hold up to the power of the 2.5 then how difficult is it to swap into the new gen subarus.

How much work is required as far as

Computers?

Axles?

Rear DIff?

Adapter plates?

And I guess tranny mount?

Im thinking that should be about all of it...Correct?

I have read on here of people swapping the d/r into 93-01 imprezas and many swapping in the Ej engines into all of the old scoobs with these transmissions. Im just not sold on the idea with all of the newer gen computer controls.

Any how....If anyone has any input I would greatly appreciate it or even know of any good write ups about this.

Thanks,

Greg



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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:19 PM

adapter plate, Redrilled EA flywheel.

 

Modify trans mounts

 

Modify shifter and install D/R lever

 

Custom longer driveline needed

 

2 options for axles.  1) open D/R trans, and install 25 spline stubs in it.  use stock axles.  2) use custom front axles, or possibly 93/94 2wd MT Impreza axles.

 

 

I would say that the one downside to this swap is you will have FWD only most of the time.  With a vehichle as heavy as a Baja, you will be straining the 2 front axles alot, and you'll have alot of front end lift on acceleration.  Don't even think about towing a trailer.

 

Unless you REALLY need the D/R for wheeling, I would not recommend it.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:39 PM

I'm with Gloyale on this one.  

 

As someone who has done the swap... unless it's strictly a wheeler don't do it.

 

That being said, so far the EA trans has done well being mated to both of my EJ's (2.2 and Frankenmotor).  



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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:45 PM

The rest of the world got dual-range AWD transmissions in basically every model Subaru, so I suspect the post you're thinking of was from another part of the world.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:30 PM

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:10 PM

Hey thanks for the quick replies....

Yeah mine would be a DD and wheeler whenever I get chances to. I was unaware of the ea trans being primarily fwd....I would be using a 5 speed dont know if I said that earlier. I know the 4EAT is the 90-10 split most of the time but the 5 speeds are a true AWD which is true for all the new gen subarus....right?

But if the old 5 speed ea trans are primarily FWD then Im not very interested and if it is over kill for a DD then I will just stick with going with a rebuilt or good condition used one.

I was toying with the idea of trying to import a new gen D/R from Australia but with shipping and taxes and fraudulent listings I gonna stay away from that which is really unfortunate....Would be awesome though

 

Oh and scott I am gonna need to talk to you about the 2" lift you offer for the new gen subarus? I was also wondering if I go with the 2"  for now and later on want to go with the 4" lift d you offer just the additional pieces needed to do the extra lift or would I need to pick up the entire 4" kit

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:30 PM

there is also a dual range newer series that has been showing up here in the states the used jdm  engines and trans guys have the at times , ratty2austin has one others also , if you want a 4" lift go 4" the 2 is all suspaension lift, the 4" is a 3" body lift 



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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:48 PM

Yea, the USDM Dual Ranges are Part-time 4WD. True 4WD, which can't be used on the street, so they have a FWD setting.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:56 PM

my cousin has a out legacy wagon with a factory dual range in it that he some how got his hands on it new from the dealer. and years later they kept calling him wanting to buy it back and of coarse he said no from knowing how rare it is over here. but of coarse in oregon you can find any subaru :D

 

did you think of the rx? they came in dual range awd but they are hard to find and fairly expessive when you find one.



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:38 AM

Hey thanks for the quick replies....

Yeah mine would be a DD and wheeler whenever I get chances to. I was unaware of the ea trans being primarily fwd....I would be using a 5 speed dont know if I said that earlier. I know the 4EAT is the 90-10 split most of the time but the 5 speeds are a true AWD which is true for all the new gen subarus....right?

 

4EAT can be made to lock 50/50 for wheeling.  4.44 ratio with a torque converter is almost better than a 3.9 dual range once you lift and go bigger tires.

 

Check out my HighGuys wheeling videos and HIghGuysLifts.com

 

The Green legacy in the videos is a 4.11 auto, and crawls up the hills where the Single range 5mt cars couldn't make it.



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:03 PM

my cousin has a out legacy wagon with a factory dual range in it that he some how got his hands on it new from the dealer. and years later they kept calling him wanting to buy it back and of coarse he said no from knowing how rare it is over here. but of coarse in oregon you can find any subaru :D

 

did you think of the rx? they came in dual range awd but they are hard to find and fairly expessive when you find one.

 

 

What year is your cousin's car?  Back when I was 16-17 I was looking for a good used subaru for my daily, and ran across a 93-94 that had the dual range in it.  Knowing what I know now I would have jumped all over it, but I didn't want a wagon at the time.  They also had a similar story about the dealer wanting it back after they had bought it.  This was my first time really looking at a legacy so I didn't know it was anything special coming from the ea81/ea82 cars all my life.



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:34 PM

4EAT can be made to lock 50/50 for wheeling.  4.44 ratio with a torque converter is almost better than a 3.9 dual range once you lift and go bigger tires.

 

Check out my HighGuys wheeling videos and HIghGuysLifts.com

 

The Green legacy in the videos is a 4.11 auto, and crawls up the hills where the Single range 5mt cars couldn't make it.

Yeah I have read a write up on this mod. It is really cool and is something I would definitely do if I get into an auto again.

I have also heard good things about the 4EAT with the 4.11 for crawling

And from all of the responses I realize that going into a D/R swap is completely over kill for what I am gonna be using it for. This is going to be a daily but I want to be able romp around in the woods confidently when I get the time.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:23 AM

What year is your cousin's car?  Back when I was 16-17 I was looking for a good used subaru for my daily, and ran across a 93-94 that had the dual range in it.  Knowing what I know now I would have jumped all over it, but I didn't want a wagon at the time.  They also had a similar story about the dealer wanting it back after they had bought it.  This was my first time really looking at a legacy so I didn't know it was anything special coming from the ea81/ea82 cars all my life.

not sure i only met him once and he didn't tell me much about it since it was a family get togther a couple days after my grampa died. but hes a subaru guy too from what i heard from him, i saw his car a glance though and it said outback legacy so my guess 95 or whenever they stopped making the the outback legacys



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 01:17 PM

It may be a little off topic but does anyone on here know if the 4.44 gear set from the outback auto trans I have in my legacy can be put into an outback 5 speed?

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:42 PM

It may be a little off topic but does anyone on here know if the 4.44 gear set from the outback auto trans I have in my legacy can be put into an outback 5 speed?

No. MTs and ATs use very different internals. Not (easily) swappable.


I think it's been done, but for that combo, it's much cheaper just to buy a new gearset (Mine was only a couple hundred dollars right from a Subaru dealership)

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:44 PM

To but a 4.44 gear set for the my in stead of swapping? I didn't know they made them for the mt.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:21 PM

To but a 4.44 gear set for the my in stead of swapping? I didn't know they made them for the mt.

 

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Somewhere the part#s have been posted.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:41 PM

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Somewhere the part#s have been posted.

USDM as well, actually. Also OBXT and Baja XT. Quite sure I posted it in my build thread for my Brat

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:09 PM

Thanks. I will check that out!




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