RAYJAY Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Hi all going to do the timing belt very shortly on the wife 2004 LGT i know of the timing kits with all of the pullies and water pump, what else do i need to change when I'm in there ???? and how are the gates timing kits ? its the one I'm looking at on rock auto Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Gates are wonderful products, I would buy it. What to change: Timing belt Idler tensioner Main crank seal cam seals water pump re-seal oil pump As long as you are there change the T-stat (you are there anyway but you don't have to if you don't want to) and replace the PCV valve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYJAY Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 IRC buy the seals from Subaru ?? or is after market ok . all ready have the t stat and gasket here OEM Subaru parts going to do new hoses and i have to order a couple of bottles of the antifreeze conditioner .... I also have to do the struts on this car which brand should i buy ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Seals go with Subaru, as OE lasted this long they will last just as long next time. KYB Gr2 (I think they are GR2). A litle stiffer when cold but nice and firm and not terribly pricey for struts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I like the OEM cam/crank seals and WP gasket myself. I buy a WP with metal impellar. Lots of us here use theimportexperts kits with good success. I always get a name brand belt though from them or local. They claim the MishubOshi belts are origanl manufacturer but they have other options and you have other options local. I've installed a lot of timing belts on Subaru's but never a Subaru belt! Now is the time to replace the accessory belts too while they are off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Now is the time to replace the accessory belts too while they are off. I always forget to mention those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Actually when I remember I get the PS one 1/2 inch longer (add 5 to the Dayco part# called for IIR) and get the AC one 5 shorter. If you notice sometimes I have to undo the PS bracket some to get the new belt on. And on the AC side the called for belt - well the tensioner is usually pretty close to fully extended. I just keep a WP box with the old sleeves from the accessory belts, the NGK U groove spark plugs(for DOHC), the TB sleeve in it for the local parts store. I just hand them the box for them to grab the parts. I also get a tube of Ultra Grey if I'm out. At the dealer cam/crank seals, WP gasket, and if a HG job HG's and maybe intake & exhaust gaskets. Felpro are fine for me for intake & exhaust but OEM are about the same price so if I'm there I just get them. And coolant conditioner. When I "redo" car to sale I also do air, fuel, oil & filter and coolant. I also service the transmission. At 100k (or roughly a TB change) I think every car should have the fuel filter changed. Just make sure you get the crank pulley/harmonic balancer TIGHT! Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdemaris Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 and how are the gates timing kits ? its the one I'm looking at on rock auto Jeff I buy all my parts from Rock Auto. Great service. I had problems with the Gates and Cloyes belts. That was on a 2002 2.5 "one cam per head" engine. The issue was that one of the timing marks they put on the belt is one tooth off. I called tech support at both places and found that neither of them actually make the belts. They buy from Japan or Germany. So things got confusing. I usually never use the timing marks on the new belts since they are not needed. This time I did. Now? For sure I will never use belt marks again. That is unless you lay the new belt against the one you take out and make sure all the marks line up (if you can see them on the old belt). Much easier just to time the "old fashioned way" with engine marks. 100% reliable. As to parts needed? Depends. I just yanked one apart with 170K miles and everything looked and felt like new including the belt itself. All idlers felt perfect as did the water pump and hydraulic tensioner. So I opted just to install the new belt and idler bearings. Once all the rusty bolts are freed - the belt change job itself only takes only a few hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Never use the timing belt marks, as they are there just for reference really. The marks being off doesnt mean there is anything wrong with the belts. Even Subaru says do not use the marks on a timing belt to set the timing, always use the marks on the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYJAY Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 called and ordered the parts from Jason @ Mike Scarff Subaru on the oil pump what do i have to check ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olnick Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Congrats on dealing with Jason--super helpful and a nice guy to boot! Oil pump: Remove and check the screws on the backing plate (5 phillips head as I remember). They sometimes loosen up. Clean and Loctite them. Reinstall the pump with a new o-ring and a neat bead of Permatex Ultra-grey. Might want to replace the crank seal too. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYJAY Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 Congrats on dealing with Jason--super helpful and a nice guy to boot! Oil pump: Remove and check the screws on the backing plate (5 phillips head as I remember). They sometimes loosen up. Clean and Loctite them. Reinstall the pump with a new o-ring and a neat bead of Permatex Ultra-grey. Might want to replace the crank seal too. Good luck. i knew by calling Jason i would be getting the right parts was going to do the crank seal while i was in there Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYJAY Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 the gates timing kit rocks its 4 or 5th one i used on different cars first Subaru one, compared to the FWD cars i have done the subies are a cake walk. thanks for all the help, jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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