K9WAGON Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Hello . I have to replace my transmission and th e passenger side rear suspension since it is bent , and i figure since I'm going to be ripping it all apart i may as well do a 6 lug conversion and lift it as well. So my question is, has anyone lifted a gen 1 before ? If so, are there any kits ? Thanks K9WAGON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrap487 Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 dont know, doesnt seem like there is enough gen 1s still out there for someone to develop a lift kit for... BUT I doubt it is all that hard to make your own lift. I dont know ANYTHING about gen1s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberoo Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 BYB makes EA81 and EA82 lifts when I get a job im going with a BYB 4"/3" lift for my 1984 brat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrap487 Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 ea81/82s arent gen 1 brats... at least as far as I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75subie Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 mudrat used to make ea71 gen 1 brat lifts. here are pics of a lifted rig: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibs Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Gen 1 Brats are hard to lift as the rear suspension is different from a Gen 2 brat. What you can do with some fab work is put Gen 2 suspension on a gen 1 for an instant lift. It is harder than it seems, you have to make a custom suspension mount, then figure how to mount the rest of the gen 2 parts on there. It's been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 we've discussed this before: http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=53904 I beleive the general consensus is, it's been done, theoretically mudrat can make a lift, but as a result of recent events, he can't offer anything there, and they're difficult to make a custom lift for. I say you should do it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyirishmen Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 I say do it too. If you need any custom parts you can contact a local welder, or have US or SJR do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrap487 Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 mudrat used to make ea71 gen 1 brat lifts. here are pics of a lifted rig: wow gen1s sure are purdy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waimaks Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 wow gen1s sure are purdy Word... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K9WAGON Posted March 27, 2006 Author Share Posted March 27, 2006 Ok after thinking about it, i have decided it would be best to throw a gen2 rear suspension under it to make the lift easier . The older style torsion bars overhang the tires thus necessitating wheel spacers and all sorts of P.I.T.A. things i dont wanna deal with . So will someone with a EA81 series get me an axle width measurement ? I need a rough idea of the differances in width. Measuring from where the torsion axle bolts onto the body on each side will give me the info I need to start planning this insanity . Help me get it rollin again! Many thanks K9WAGON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrap487 Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Ok after thinking about it, i have decided it would be best to throw a gen2 rear suspension under it to make the lift easier . The older style torsion bars overhang the tires thus necessitating wheel spacers and all sorts of P.I.T.A. things i dont wanna deal with . So will someone with a EA81 series get me an axle width measurement ? I need a rough idea of the differances in width. Measuring from where the torsion axle bolts onto the body on each side will give me the info I need to start planning this insanity . Help me get it rollin again! Many thanks K9WAGON I'll take some measurements tomorrow when I get up if no one else gets to it first. since you plan on a lift, might be better to drill your hubs and get wheels with more backspacing vs going to gen 2 suspension? just something to consider(I dont know jack about gen1s). it sounds like you have access to most of the equipment you'll need to do this, so I might be able to help you out a little bit with some advice/ideas while the lift is in progress, just take plenty of pics and I'll try my best. make sure you keep brake lines, shocks and steering stuff in mind when you do it, I didnt and it was what kept me from getting back on the road 2 weeks later than I should have. since you are making the lift yourself, I would recomend minimum 6", but if you do only 2" you wont be as likely to have to deal with brakelines and such, but you will likely have thoughts later on wishing you had gone bigger, besides, brats are supposed to look tough not wimpy just make sure you do it right and make stuff strong enough. I might post some actually ideas in the morning when I can think. good luck and HAVE FUN DOING IT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Range Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Your on the right track, the front is a simple body lift, the rear: get a whole rear drivetrain assembly(torsion tube, axles, hubs, shocks,I reccomed ea82 2wd rear shocks and a custom mount) out of an 80-84 wagon or 82-87 brat and mock it up to your gutted rear end(keep your moustach bar. you should be able to picture what needs to be fabbed. it makes the rear track about 3" wider overall(note factory mudflaps). here are my two non explanatory pictures (both of these have custom 3" mudrat lifts) Oh and I'm able to go way higher in the rear with torsion tube on this brat(note axles angles), but then the rake is rediculous (need 4" of lift up front) and I loose too much flex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operose Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 oh man I want that green wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanR693 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 Oh my you brought it up and you talked about it now you have to do it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spigma01 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 hey that green wagon is the "pickle" I owned it for 4 years and wheeled the holy crap out of it, though sadly Mudrat and I hauled it to the junk yard about a week ago . I think I'm going to build another one ppretty soon. Anyway if you have Q's about the lift PM me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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