one early morning I had quite the dream

 

it was a ea63t in a gen 2 wagon body, paint was glolden yellow

 

I didn't even know ea63 existed

yup, the EA63 is actually real which was replaced with the EA65 if my memory serves me correctly. They came in the '74?-'76 wagons and such.

yup, the EA63 is actually real which was replaced with the EA65 if my memory serves me correctly. They came in the '74?-'76 wagons and such.

 

Dunno bout the EA65, never heard of one...

 

The EA63 is the 1400cc that was used before Subaru switched to the EA71, at least in the US.

BajaVWsoobnut has a EA65 in his '76 4wd wagon:D

BajaVWsoobnut has a EA65 in his '76 4wd wagon:D

 

Hmm... nifty, something I need to see.

he`s usually around here, but here is his gallery with ea65 wagon pics:

http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/photos/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=249&sl=b

thats such a pretty wagon. I miss seeing it in person:(

Hmmm...EA65...It must be the missing link!:clap:Here's the big question - is it the ORIGINAL engine? If not, it could be the dry liner version of the 1400, designed to eliminate the head gasket problems of the removable wet sleeve EA63. I'm only surmising here, but maybe someone in the know can confirm or refute this...

There were actually two versions of the EA63, the difference was in the exhaust ports (4-port '73, 2-port '74 and later). Also the '73s ate head gaskets like no tomorrow, the '74 and later...welll, they weren't <i>quite</i> as bad...

You'll still find the 4port exhaust on '74's too...at least the ones sitting in this guy's yard.I thought the 2port revision came with the '75 along with the intro of the 4WD wagon.I could swear the 2port was a late '74 revision.

 

Either way,we know the early 1400s suck headgaskets and warp heads too.

 

The EA65 was an Import engine,not typical at all to the USA market.We established that awhile back in discussion with Jason.I'd never heard of one before Jason's.

 

I'm considering restoring my '73 to original.If I did,is there any way I could improve the liner or the way it is fastened to correct the problem using some technology that was not available back then?

I wish I knew the answer to that question. I do know that the replacement engine installed in my father's '76 had no head gasket problems, quite unlike the original engine. I don't know what was different about the block - whether it was a dry liner design like the EA71 or had freestanding iron liners that were pressed in place. That's why I am curious about the EA65. I'm entertaining the possibility that an EA65 replaced the original EA63. That was years ago and the car is long gone, so there is no way I can know whether or not this was the case.

i knew the wagon had Ea63 up until about '76

 

 

was the first year the wagon came into production '72???

'72 was the first year of the new body style following the FF1. The FF1 was also available as a wagon. BTW, I answered my own question on the EA65. A Google search revealed that it was a 1300cc engine used in Europe.

Depends on what you mean by "wagon"-the Leone started production in '71 as a '72 model, the FF1 was in production in the late '60s (I don't know if the first model year was 1968 or 1969), the 360 Custom was available overseas in the mid '60s and I think '63 was the first year for the 360 Sambar van.

I'm considering restoring my '73 to original.If I did,is there any way I could improve the liner or the way it is fastened to correct the problem using some technology that was not available back then?

 

If you can locate one of the EA63 "dry-liner" engines, the best thing would be to drop the earlier camshaft (for the older outboard exhaust design) into the newer short block. Then just transfer the older heads over, and use the later head gaskets. It would be almost the same exact engine, but with the fused-in dry cylinder liners.

 

I'm planning to do that with the '73 because I'd also like to move away from the "wet sleeve" problems. Thought about dropping in a more modern EA63 long block (with in-board SEEC-T exhaust), but the cross-member engine support would not permit the newer headers to attach to the newer heads. I also really like the way the exhaust exits from the front/rear of the heads (like an aircraft engine)!

If you can locate one of the EA63 "dry-liner" engines, the best thing would be to drop the earlier camshaft (for the older outboard exhaust design) into the newer short block. Then just transfer the older heads over, and use the later head gaskets. It would be almost the same exact engine, but with the fused-in dry cylinder liners.

 

I'm planning to do that with the '73 because I'd also like to move away from the "wet sleeve" problems. Thought about dropping in a more modern EA63 long block (with in-board SEEC-T exhaust), but the cross-member engine support would not permit the newer headers to attach to the newer heads. I also really like the way the exhaust exits from the front/rear of the heads (like an aircraft engine)!

 

 

THANKS! I think you've got a plan for me to follow!

There was a new crate engine in CA awhile back.I'll have to call the guy and see if it's still around.

BajaVWsoobnut has a EA65 in his '76 4wd wagon:D

 

He went to the dealer and looked it up, it SHOULD be an EA63, the EA65 is some weird overseas engine, but it's still 1400cc

He went to the dealer and looked it up, it SHOULD be an EA63, the EA65 is some weird overseas engine, but it's still 1400cc

 

Now, I could be wrong, but I have read that the EA65 was actually a 1300cc variant used in the Leone vans made around 1982. From what I remember, it should fit any EA63 application as a short block. Maybe this engine came over from one of the foreign engine importers? Always wanted one those vans, but they were never for export (to US).

 

If it really was the 1300cc variant, it may not be possible to know it wasn't a 1400cc since it has the inboard common exhaust ports and associated camshaft. The only way to know if it was really 1300cc would be to measure displacement. Would be interesting to find out, but I think the 1300 to 1400 change was bore, and not stroke. Anyone know if this is the case?

Now, I could be wrong, but I have read that the EA65 was actually a 1300cc variant used in the Leone vans made around 1982. From what I remember, it should fit any EA63 application as a short block. Maybe this engine came over from one of the foreign engine importers? Always wanted one those vans, but they were never for export (to US).

 

If it really was the 1300cc variant, it may not be possible to know it wasn't a 1400cc since it has the inboard common exhaust ports and associated camshaft. The only way to know if it was really 1300cc would be to measure displacement. Would be interesting to find out, but I think the 1300 to 1400 change was bore, and not stroke. Anyone know if this is the case?

In the US, at least, the EA engines had the same stroke up to the EA71 1600cc, with the displacement varying by bore size. The EA81 had the same bore as the EA71, with a stroke increase to make 1800cc.

I have also read the same thing about the EA65 being a 1300cc engine used in Leones outside the US.

dang isnt the ea63 the 1400 from way back in the day?

yup, pre 76 stuffs

damn those cars looked pretty slick the wagons anyways from thse early years