so just replace the timing belt, all pully's and new tensioner.

started it on the stands and sounded nice, no noise or anything.

put everything back together except the power steering pump (rebuild kit is on the way)

though i got all or the fluid out of the power steering lines but nope, it decided to leak all over the top of the timing cover when i was turning the wheels. ( i am retarted)

you shouldn't hear any noise from the timing area....correct?

so looks like i'm going to have to do this all over again.

If i clean my timing belt real well can i use it again?

Any way to clean out the bearings on the new pullys in the timing area or am i going to buy another timing kit and do this alll over again.

or.....could this sound (sounds like a chain running over a sprocket and a medium pitched whirring) be something else.

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Belt should be replaced, I believe grossgary has experience on the oil on timing belt thing, 10,000 or so miles and the belt broke. The idlers should be alright I would think, they should be cleaned off really well before putting on the new belt. edit I think those bearings are sealed, Anyone else know for sure?

If the covers are on the engine i doubt there was an oil on the belts. You can pull the covers and clean or wash the belt as it sits.

 

The issue with oil on the belts (engine oil as opposed to hydraulic fluid) is that it gets to soak into the belt, along with heat and tension and flexing.

 

Just clean up and you should be fine.

 

 

er um noise?

 

 

nipper

well that is good to know.....

makes me think this nose might be something else then, kind of concerning.

i put on all new seals on the timing cover. havn't torn it apart to take a look.

Went for a 15 minute drive and by the end the loose chain on a gear noise was getting a tad louder. It is linked to the engine i'm sure of that, could it be something in the tranny....?

well that is good to know.....

makes me think this nose might be something else then, kind of concerning.

i put on all new seals on the timing cover. havn't torn it apart to take a look.

Went for a 15 minute drive and by the end the loose chain on a gear noise was getting a tad louder. It is linked to the engine i'm sure of that, could it be something in the tranny....?

 

general rule of thumb, if the noise wasnt there before you touched it, and is there after you touched, go back and see what you touched.

 

nipper

this is the same original noise that i diagnosed as a timing issue but not sure if it is. Pretty stumped and pretty disgruntled. I can't imagine what would make this noise now that i changed the timing components. The strangest thing is i can hear it real well when i put my head closer to the floor of the drivers side.

is the noise there with the accessory drive belts off the car?

 

Does the noise change with ehngine rpm?

 

describe it in detail please.

 

 

nipper

maybe the noise is the empty/bad power steering pump???

Edited February 17, 200917 yr by johnceggleston

If your running the engine, sans ps pump and it's dry (lacking fluid)....it will make hella noise, until you bleed it and fill it to proper levels with fluid. Just changed mine out last weekend.

Did you replace the actual tensioner? or just it's pulley.

 

I've had the experience of those tensioners not exerting enough force, adn allowing the belt to slap as it went around.

 

take off the drivers side belt cover and run the engine, see if the belt is slapping.

all new timing components. torqued to specs.

The noise isn't very consisitent. When you start eh vehicle is itsn't there but after you drive it or rev the engine for a while it comes into play. Took the acc. belt off and didn't go away. Since i can only hear this noise from the drive side seat i listened under the car and could faintly hear it, i will get someone to rev the engine for me later on and listen.

So, the noise comes along stronger with the duration that the car has been run.

increases with rpms.

not acc. related.

can only hear it from the drivers seat

does not change in or out of gear.

you can definatly hear it have a different coast sound that drive sound. (throttle vs. not on the throttle)

 

thinking it could be something in the forward part of the tranny.

what spins with the engine when not in gear.

looking more and more like an engine pull this weekend.

Where did you source the parts from?

 

nipper

Just listened to it reving.

takes about a minute or two of running above the idle rpm to start to hear it.

Sounds like its coming from right under the drain plug in the transaxle.

going to get a stethascope today to listen closer.

I just changed the fluid and don't have the dipstick. it called for 3.7 quarts but since i don't have the dipstick i added 3.5 and was going to get a dipstick and top it off. Could this be an oil issue, maybe since it gets more noticable the longer i run the engine.

Where did you source the parts from?

 

nipper

 

Carquest.

they said it was OEM parts.

Carquest.

they said it was OEM parts.

 

OEM parts only come from places with "Subaru" on the front door.

 

I wonder if you have a bum bearing in one of those parts. At least we ruled out the accessories.

 

nipper

If you think it is coming from the trans then push the clutch in to stop the trans from spinning and listen for the noise, if it is still there, then it won't be the trans itself but maybe a pilot bearing. 3.5 to 3.7 is not a big difference and should not have started a noise. Stethescope is a good thing to use. Good luck:)

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If you think it is coming from the trans then push the clutch in to stop the trans from spinning and listen for the noise, if it is still there, then it won't be the trans itself but maybe a pilot bearing. Stethescope is a good thing to use. Good luck:)

 

i missed the part about it being a manual.

 

 

i missed the part about it being a manual.

 

 

 

I only caught on when he said 3.7 quarts

 

That is the amount of gear oil for the manual trans.

finally had time to listen for the sound.

got a stethatscope and sounds like it is coming from the front of the transaxle. Sound goes away when clutch is pushed in. So what do you think it could be.

 

Also,

 

while i have the engine out and tranny apart, what should i also do, seals, ect.

 

already planning on a new clutch and all the related components down there.

looks like an engine pull this weekend!

hmm, sounds like a pilot or throw out bearing i guess.

 

replace clutch, pressure plate, pilot bearing, throw out bearing, and two throw out bearing clips. clips are same EJ and EA, so dealers usually have many on hand.

 

good time to do the valve cover gaskets, they're easy and cheap.

 

since the engine has to be lifted to replace the oil pan, now's a good time to do that if it's needed. although it's an annoying job so don't do it if you don't have to.