tysree Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 What gasket goes between the cam shaft case and the head? is it a gasket or do you put sealant? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subiemech85 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 SEARCH SEALANT http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=93377&highlight=ultrapro read it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rust Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 If your doing work with paper or felt gaskets I use copper spray. Stuff keeps the gasket in place and isn't a mess. If your using straight permatex (making your own gasket) clean the surfaces real good, then wipe it down w/ paint thinner or de-natured alcohol to get every bit of grease and grime off. a gasket is only as good as the surface it is bonding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4x4_Welder Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) They came with sealer from the factory, use an anaerobic sealer and NOT red, orange, or blue RTV. Black and grey will get you a couple years service, the correct sealer is best though. Use the factory style reinforced o-rings, not regular rubber o-rings. Those will die a quick death, then you will lay awake at night hearing the guy you sold the car to a thousand miles away cursing you. Not that I ever did that while replacing inferior o-rings less than two weeks after changing timing belts............... Edited May 8, 2009 by 4x4_Welder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysree Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 Lol thanks for all the help now I know exactly what to get :] I'm gonna try an be a mechanic some day and all this helps I thought I was suppose to use RTV on it haha Thanks a lot everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 best thing to have is a Subaru FSM. many are available for free if you do some searching. the subaruxt.com site has the FSM's available for the Subaru XT - which has the EA82 motor which is what i think you're working on. The appropriate sealant is Anaerobic sealant, though some folks substitute other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysree Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 What exactly is an FSM? and how does his site work its kinda confusing lol Thanks for putting up with me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik litchy Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 ill help you out since my dealer was too dumb to figure this out cam case o ring part number is 13089aa010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 FSM - Factory Service Manual That's the actual manual the Subaru dealer technicians have available. It's also available in online .pdf format. I've gotten tons of them for free...like 10 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) FWIW, the Felpro gasket sets that I have seen use black RTV. I have used both the black RTV and the (expensive!!!) anaerobic sealant and have, in the short run, had better luck with the RTV. Time will tell... The anaerobic sealer that I have used is a 2 part system, with a "primer"/activator applied to one surface and the sealant applied to the other surface. IIRC, it cost around $40-50 for the two components in the smallest size that NAPA stocks. Also, something to consider/plan-for/decide-upon is that the Subaru headgaskets specify a retorque after the engine has been run awhile. (FelPro does not specify it for their headgaskets.) This means, typically, removing those cam cases again, which also means sealing them. Some people don't seal it the first time and just live with the oil leak prior to retorque. Some others don't bother with the retorque. And... (unsolicited advice)...I still have never heard of an EA82 HG leaking coolant externally. There are plenty of other causes of external coolant leaks, and all seem to "show up" someplace other than where they started. Blown HGs leak coolant into the oil passages, and/or they leak coolant into the cylinder; external leakage is just not a likely failure mode. Lots of work might be postponed (these old HGs will eventually let go) by looking for other sources of the leak. Edited May 8, 2009 by NorthWet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysree Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 I think I might go with the RTV sealer then. I have a picture but its kinda crappy But if you look on the left side the gasket around the cylinder is mostly gone compared to the right side. I dont know if it's a good Idea but a gasket set is a lot cheaper on ebay then like autozone would it be bad to shop on ebay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I haven't had much experience with anything other than OEM and FelPro. However, general sentiment is that when it comes to the intake gaskets, do NOT go cheap. Most seem to prefer genuine Subaru OE intake gaskets, others think that FelPro are OK. Offbrands don't seem to seal well, and you end up with coolant sucked into the intake tract, possibly blowing out the HG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysree Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 Oh well I kinda went ahead and bought them anyways this guy seems really confident in his gaskets and has owned a business for a while so I hope they are good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Go to Subaru anyways and buy the intake gaskets. While you are there, you will probably need to buy the cam case "o-rings" (which are really metal covered in rubber) since most aftermarket HG sets do not include them. As others have written, do not use regular o-rings as a substitute; I can guarantee that you will be sorry and need to tear the cam cases off again... and maybe more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysree Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 Ok I might do that too. Here is the link for the parts I bought http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260322025079&viewitem= If you want to look? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4x4_Welder Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 I find it odd that not once does he mention the gasket brand- To add to what others have said, OEM intake gaskets, and anti-seize the crap out of the bolts. While the MPFI engines don't have the same coolant passage configuration as the single-port engines, it's still a steel bolt from one piece of aluminum to another that does carry current at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 if you're needing head gaskets, buy Fel Pro permatorque gaskets. if you don't, they need to be retorqued. that is a total pain, do the headgaskets, run the motor, then tear the engine down and do it all over again = totally annoying. with the Fel Pro's, you just torque them a few pounds over final torque spec's and you're done. they're great, most of us on here use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 I still have never heard of an EA82 HG leaking coolant externally. not an EA82 - but similar engine in many ways - i had an XT6 that ran and drove perfectly fine, never overheated, and had a very slow seap at the rear of the engine. very much like the newer Phase II EJ25 head gasket leaks. i replaced those and it was good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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