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Just looks like an old belt, to me. Certainly time to change it. But if it were really rubbing, it would be far more badly damaged. That just looks like the scuffing from the crank guide.
Aisin tensioner, Mitsuboshi belt, and Koyo or NSK idlers only for me.
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The tensioners I've had fail were entirely unaffected by temperature. I supposed it's theoretically possible that it's only failed a little bit, and it might change as it warms up, but I would think as soon as it cycled through it's range (which is what the noise is, the piston bottoming out and the housing hitting the block), the fluid would be gone, and it would be spring only.
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55 minutes ago, dirty_mech said:
The EJ251 doesn't have rods, it has rockers that contact the cam lobes and valves directly:
Rod knock comes from connecting rods, not pushrods. EJ251 is not a rotary engine, so they absolutely do have rods.
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Sounds like rod knock.
Piston slap goes away as the engine warms up. Timing belt tensioners are unaffected by engine temperature. Rod knock gets worse as the engine gets hot.
Put a real oil pressure gauge on it, and see if your oil pressure drops as the noise happens....
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Speed and neutral signals both help with drivability, preventing the engine to stall when coasting and such. Not a major change, but super easy to hook them up, so just do it.
Yes, both fan signals are ground signals to trigger relays.
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Maybe try a different dealership. Also, spend as much time on the freeway as possible during the consumption test.
I know when I worked at the dealership, we would have claims denied (by Subaru), and then a few days later, SOA customer service would call us and have us Goodwill a repair. So a call to them would certainly be an option. Quick google search turns up 1 (800) 782-2783
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Blinking CEL, Test mode?
My first EJ swap cranked a lot before starting. I didn't have the start signal wired to the ECU (12v while cranking), this changes the enrichment (choke) while starting. I bought a dry cell battery and a block heater, as it would struggle to start so badly in the winter....then I hooked up one wire. But I think I had a code for it.
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Yea, technically here in MN it's a "Prior Salvage". True "salvage" stamped titles cannot be issued plates.
The inspection to convert the title from "Salvage" to "Prior Salvage" has nothing to do with safety. They just want to see the receipts for the major parts purchased (to verify that nothing is stolen).
Whatever the verbiage. Once it's totalled, no warranty of any kind applies. Recalls, however, still do (had the Takata removed from our '04 VDC).
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Yea, the oil consumption suit happened about 6-7 years ago (right in the middle of my time at a Subaru dealership), extending those engine warrantees to 100k miles. And yes, the rings in the replacement short blocks are tighter, and fuel mileage will suffer.
My mom's 2012 Impreza has a salvage title, and so is not covered. It's now over 200k miles, and I think burning a quart of oil every thousand miles, or so. And it's intermittently throwing a P0420 code (cat converter efficiency, likely due to all the oil gone through it over the years).
And yes, I've heard from several sources I trust to switch to a synthetic 5w30.
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On 5/26/2022 at 8:44 AM, Heater said:
this motor has been tried and trued through the extreme abuse I have put it through.
Must be your first car
Or, maybe you got a reliable EA82. Thank every deity you can think of, and don't mess with it.
It will be more expensive, more work, slower, and less reliable than a non turbo EJ
Not a chance that it has the same compression ratio as a turbo.
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AFAIK, the warranty for a DIYer is generally 30 days, and they just give you another engine. And they expect to get theirs back in exactly the condition it was sent. As such, I waited to order mine until I was 100% ready to put it in. I had all my gaskets, timing components, etc. on hand. The old motor was out with the intake manifold off and ready to use. So I swapped everything over (kept everything I removed from the JDM engine in a box) and was ready to start test driving about 3 days after it arrived.
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I've bought one, and plan to buy a couple more.
I just bought on eBay, paid with a Credit Card through PayPal. This gives me 3 separate avenues for accountability/charge dispute. Read the sellers feedback history, make sure they have a decent history, and have been selling engines for some time (I noticed at least one seller that had a decent rating, but almost exclusively on small parts...).
Best practice is to swap the intake manifold and all wiring over from the old engine.
The link that @idosubaruposted is for a bare, new shortblock. This will have a 1 year warranty.
Call your local dealership and ask about remanufactured shorblocks. These are about the same price, but come with oil pan, pump, water pump, thermostat, etc, and come with a 3 year 36k mile warranty.
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Cruise control is disabled whenever the check engine light is on, in those cars.
Pretty long and well-documented diagnostic process to the P0420.
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Should be largely the same.
Use STi Head gaskets, just like the USDM 2.5s.
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Aisin is the way to go if you want a "kit".
I use Mitsuboshi belts, NSK or Koyo bearings, and an Aisin tensioner. Requires more homework to find all the right part numbers (I usually look up OEM # by VIN, and cross reference from there), and sometimes ordering from multiple sources (I've been using CarID for the last few sets, but I think I've gotten the tensioner from RockAuto).
Don't think I've bought a water pump in 10 years or more...
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I've heard of people machining/redrilling the stock hubs to 4x100. That's probably your best bet, if that's the size you want. It gets difficult as it begins to clash with the bosses for the rotor mounting bolts.
You're currently running a 7" wide wheel with 4.5" of backspacing (meaning 1" of negative offset!), yea, that's not going to fit well. A stock Toyota or Nissan 6" wide wheel will fit much better.
It is certainly possible to have new hubs made, but my understanding is cutting the splines is extremely expensive. Someone had a run of 5 lug rear hubs made not too long ago. They were manufactured overseas in large-ish quantities, and they were still spendy. I suspect having 2 pairs made (they are different front and rear) will be many many thousands of dollars.
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I'm not sure replacing the part would have a different effect. It's my understanding that they are very sensitive. My mom has said many times that she can only put in about a 1/2 quart when the light comes on before it's at the "Full" mark. She keeps a paper funnel tucked in next to the battery....
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Off the top of my head, 4-cyl AT Outback and (I think) GT are 4.444 axle ratios. H6 Outback is 4.111. So you might have to swap rear diffs, as well.
www.car-part.com is a very useful tool for finding used parts.
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I've seen many broken, especially on crashed cars, but not always.
Get a new one. I bought a Subaru one for our Outback, so it couldn't have been too expensive. And they are available aftermarket.
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Yes, that car has an oil level light, and an oil pressure light.
If the oil pressure light comes on on the freeway, the engine is done. If it flickers a little bit at hot idle, you might be able to save it, but at rpm and load....no.
We discovered with my mom's 12 Impreza that the level light comes on pretty early, sometimes the level doesn't even read to the low mark on the dip stick, and only needs about a half a quart to read "full". Hers is a bit of an oil burner, so she's gotten used to carrying oil and a funnel.
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OEM water pumps very rarely fail. Not a chance I would replace it at 120k miles.
I buy a Mitsuboshi belt, NSK idlers and Aisin tensioner separately.
Anything beyond that would be as-needed.
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Yep, not uncommon problem. Nut too loose, and/or incorrect washer placement underneath it. Strips the splines in the hub out.
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5 hours ago, el_freddo said:
^ none of those things sound economical vs a slightly better fuel economy GD! False economics to me. Spend less on fuel only to spend a pot load more oil to keep it in the sump - then throw a replacement catalytic converter at it down the track at some point.
I just did some quick math (what can I say, slow afternoon at work...). My mom's 2012 Impreza uses a quart of oil about every 750 miles. When I worked at the dealership, we had many customers reporting a loss of 3-5mpg after receiving a new shortblock (with tighter rings). Over 750 miles, with fuel costing $3/gallon, a drop from 35mpg to 32mpg is about $6. Depending on the oil you're using, you could easily come out ahead.
If you're getting 4k miles to a quart, that difference jumps to $32.13. If you can find a quart of oil for $32, you're going something wrong.
So yea, it's cheaper to risk a little extra wear on your cat than replace your engine.
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On 4/8/2022 at 8:58 AM, craigmcd said:
Thanks for the reply. Quick follow up. I believe this engine calls for 5W-30. When you say thicker oil, what would you suggest?
Second: Can you expand on the "engine is being damaged" light? I have always understood that when the oil light comes on it means low oil pressure or that the oil pump has failed. I believe in our manual it says to pull over immediately and tow it to the nearest dealer (which almost no one does). Audrey tops off the oil and the light goes out.
I appreciate the response. C
They call for 0W20.
That's right in the heart of the oil consumption class action lawsuit that was filed against Subaru. Subaru extended the warranty to 100k in response.
There are 2 oil lights. A low oil level light, and a low oil pressure light (the older cars only had pressure, and interestingly the first few years of FB engined Foresters, most Forester owners just drove them until they blew up, whereas Impreza and Leg/OBK owners got the warning light). The level light comes on kind of prematurely, as the engine is usually less than a quart low. But this prevents catastrophic damage.
My mom bought her 2012 Impreza with about 20k miles on it, it's over 200k, now. It has a salvage title, so was not eligible for a free engine, so she keeps a quart of oil in the trunk, and a funnel tucked in next to the battery. I just found out this week that she's down to ~750 miles per quart, so I advised her to switch to synthetic 5W30. She has seen a P0420 a couple times, so the cat is probably not happy with the hundred + quarts of oil that has gone through it,
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Mystery Noise - EJ25 Engine Knocking, But Only at Temperature & Under Load
in 1990 to Present Legacy, Impreza, Outback, Forester, Baja, WRX&WrxSTI, SVX
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Knock knock, your new engine is calling. I bet you have very little oil pressure, as it's all blowing out past your rod bearings. Thicker oil and/or a high volume STi oil pump might buy some time.
If the guide around the crank pulley is too tight, it will rub the text off the back of the belt. Was this clearance set correctly?
Mitsuboshi makes belts for most Japanese OEMs. They do not sell them through the major parts stores, so many people don't realize they exist, but if you start watching, you'll see their name, or logo, on most belts (just did one on my Honda Odyssey yesterday, the original belt said Honda on it, but had the Mitsuboshi logo).
Gates used to use quality Japanese bearings, but started phasing lower quality ones in probably 10 years ago, becoming increasingly more common. You don't have to search very hard to find wrecked engines due to Gates kits. With a little homework, it's not hard to find quality Japanese components from reputable sellers (NOT Amazon or eBay, lots of counterfeits) for a reasonable price.