Scoobywagon Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 So I was sitting at the grocery store waiting for my wife and it occurred to me that there is a car that Subaru has never built and I'd like to see them do it. I'd like to see a 2-seat Subaru about the size of a Miata or even an RX7. Little, tiny thing. Razor sharp handling, all wheel drive. Wouldn't have to have the blistering power of an STI. In fact, I think it would kind of detract from the car if it DID have that kind of power. I sort of envision this thing weighing in at around 2300-2400. 145hp or so would be about right. I think it should be available as a hardtop, hardtop convertible or Targa. What do you think? Something else you'd like to see them build? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWDfreak Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Your post screams Subaru XT/Alcyone, but the XT/Alcyone was never 1st-gen Miata-light. Unfortunately, all that you described won't be had unless you cough up the dough. These days, with all the safety regulations, such a car WILL be weighed down. And hell, it seems as if Subaru will NEVER mass-produce a convertible as it sort of detracts from their Ring-Shaped Reinforcement Frame technology. That's comparable to ditching both the AWD and boxer-engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyKeith Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Sounds like you want a prodrive P2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodrive_P2 Too bad they decided not to make it and only ever used it as a platform to demostrate their insane engineering abilities. Insane enough to Make Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear Puke after driving it on a skid pad! Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster2 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Last October, someone posted the Toyota FT-86 concept car by Toyota with a Subaru motor. See http://www.nextautos.com/tokyo-previ...src=Nextscreen Toyota owns 20% of Subaru, so there is the motor connection. Is this what you have in mind for Subaru to make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setright Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 The FT-86 should be coming with boxer engines only. RWD Toyota, 4WD Subaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobywagon Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 As near as I can tell, even the FT-86 is too big, as was the XT. In modern terms, I feel this car should be light in the way that an RX8 is light. Now, the RX8 weighs in at 2880. However, I can tell you that there's the best part of 500lbs in the sound deadening material, dash, wiring harness(es), stereo, etc. I mean REALLY strip this thing down. Yes, it should have a stereo, but 4 speakers and a CD player would do. No need for all the Bose stuff. use lighter plastics in the dash. I'm not sure why, but the seats in that car are just unreasonably heavy. I've started doing the design work on a car that I'd like to build from the ground up some day. But I'm talking here about a factory built car with all the safety features that go along with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch de la Brat Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 So I was sitting at the grocery store waiting for my wife and it occurred to me that there is a car that Subaru has never built and I'd like to see them do it. I'd like to see a 2-seat Subaru about the size of a Miata or even an RX7. Little, tiny thing. Razor sharp handling, all wheel drive. Wouldn't have to have the blistering power of an STI. In fact, I think it would kind of detract from the car if it DID have that kind of power. I sort of envision this thing weighing in at around 2300-2400. 145hp or so would be about right. I think it should be available as a hardtop, hardtop convertible or Targa. What do you think? Something else you'd like to see them build? When you described that I instantly thought of an FF or a GSR with an EJ22 and AWD drivetrain. They would be perfect, they're tiny, light, and with a rebuilt suspension and revised drivetrain, they could easily compete with the Miata in the cruiser coupe category. Twitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rverdoold Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Sounds like you want a prodrive P2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodrive_P2 Keith The P2 !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 When you described that I instantly thought of an FF or a GSR with an EJ22and AWD drivetrain. They would be perfect, they're tiny, light, and with a rebuilt suspension and revised drivetrain, they could easily compete with the Miata in the cruiser coupe category. Twitch Unfortunately, all those mods move it up in class and would no longer compete directly with the Miata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch de la Brat Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Unfortunately, all those mods move it up in class and would no longer compete directly with the Miata. I was just using the EJ22 as an example for hp reasons. An EJ16 or EJ18 would work just fine I'm sure. They have what? 120hp? 150hp? I think the newer EJ's should do just fine with a smaller displacement. Twitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I understand, but any swap moves into a modified or open class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch de la Brat Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I understand, but any swap moves into a modified or open class. Well, I wasn't referring to racing I was thinking of a Production vehicle that had an FF or GSR body, but with modern components underneath. So basically cram the underpinnings of a WRX into an FF and add an EJ18 engine and a 6 speed and you have what I was thinking of. It has a classic look to it and handles like rally car Twitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Well, I wasn't referring to racing ... Twitch There woould be no other reason to compete with the Miata other than racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesFox Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 One: A twin turbo manual transmission flat 6 3rd generation alcyone/svx two: 'BRAT II' build from a 2-door impreza platform with forester suspension, dual range trans, and a pass-thru truck bed like the baja, but 2-door impreza based. the brat ii seems feasable with off the shelf parts. build it on the pre-2008 impreza chassis three: a 2-door wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch de la Brat Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 There woould be no other reason to compete with the Miata other than racing. I was thinking consumer car sales... Twitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobywagon Posted March 9, 2010 Author Share Posted March 9, 2010 I'd think another option would be to start with the current impreza 3-door. Shorten it up by deleting the rear bench seat. Just cargo area immediately behind the driver's seat and maybe push the rear axle to the rear a bit. Again...doable on current parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfire Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 how about an 88 hatch lowered with 2.2 non turbo and six speed. fellow coworker had a focus with the 2.0 liter with six speed damn that thing was fast for a 4 cylinder with no power adder. feel free to pick that idea apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themoneypit Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Last October, someone posted the Toyota FT-86 concept car by Toyota with a Subaru motor. See http://www.nextautos.com/tokyo-previ...src=Nextscreen Toyota owns 20% of Subaru, so there is the motor connection. Is this what you have in mind for Subaru to make? well lets hope subaru doesnt start using toyota gas pedal designs :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene J Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 How about a Legacy GT wagon like my 98? The new Outback is a real piggy. It is at least 2 feet taller than my current car and a lot heavier. It is a great SUV but not so good as a car. And no manual transmission. If they build it I would buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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