What are some differences between these engines?

HP and torque?

2.2l has 130hp @5600rpm and torque is 137 @ 4400rpm

 

1.8 has 90hp @ 5200 rpm and torque is 101 @ 2800 rpm

 

go to http://www.cars101.com and you can research all the specs...

The EJ18

and the EJ22 compare like this.

 

EJ18 1.8L: 110 hp, 110 torque@4400rpm

EJ22 2.2L: 135 hp, 140 torque@4400rpm

 

Todd

depends on which 2.2L you have. Early legacies and MOST 2.2s are 130hp, the EJ22e, which was originally stock in my Legacy is rated at 135hp.

 

big whoop... but... as I'm finding out, there are soooo many different configurations of the engines. The EJ22e is desireable because it has forged internals. (9.5:1 CR, and you can turbo or super it, but it requires higher and higher octane and more and more intercooling the higher the boost)

BlueTrain, I think you posted info for the SPFI EA81, not the EJ18. I'm assuming you were comparison-shopping among Imprezas, not cross-shopping Imps and Loyales?

I have a Loyale (92) and I was wondering just how much better Legacy was with the bigger engine. Longevity wise, performance wise, etc.

86-94 SPFI 1800 1781 90@5600 101@2800 9:1 EA-82

 

90-93 Legacy 2200 2212 130@5600 137@2400 9:1 EJ-22

 

93-96 Impreza 1800 1820 110@5600 110@4400 9 : 1 EJ-18

 

95-99 Impreza, Legacy 2200 2212 135@5400 140@4400 9:1 EJ-22

I had a 90 loyale and a 97 legacy.

 

Both fun.

 

Legacy accels a good bit better and has better cruising power, more refined.

 

mel

Just outta curiosity has either one of these motors been noticeably more reliable than the other?

<<Just outta curiosity has either one of these motors been noticeably more reliable than the other?>>

 

Here is my opinion on the top 3 subaru engines:

 

1. EJ-22T (Legacy Turbo)

 

2. EG-33 (SVX)

 

3. EJ-22 (Legacy)

EA81s have carb problems. EA82s are great until the T-belts break (but they're non-interference). I know next to nothing about the EJ18s but there's a used Soob specialist up here that used to warranty them up to 120K (motor and tranny only).

 

The two worst Subaru engines (my opinion) were the EK32 (ignition troubles) and the EJ25 Phase 1.

i personaly think the phase 1 2.5s are good. head gaskets yeah the come but its in the 100-200,000 mile range. im around them all day every day so thats maybe why.

 

matt

EJ18 1.8L: 110 hp, 110 torque@4400rpm

EJ22 2.2L: 135 hp, 140 torque@4400rpm

 

The ej 18 has a pretty impressive HP/liter figure for a normally aspirated engine. I remember a volvo 2.3l I-4 getting roughly the same hp.

 

Anybody know how high you need to rev it to get that 110 hp figure? I don't take it above 5000 very often, and never >=5500 rpm. It's probably bad for the engine to be turning that fast.

 

Do ej18's have higher gearing than ej22s? When i first was getting used to the car, I thought the revs were a bit high on the freeway. I thought the spacing between 5 and 4 could've been larger. I guess the reason is that you hardly ever need to downshift to 4th and have access to quick acceleration when it is suddenly required; fuel econ probably is slightly comprimised.

Still...the Phase II engines cost no more to produce, but they don't have nearly as many problems and even got a (tiny) performance increase.

phase 2 doesnt have problems? hahahaha at our dealership we have had more headgaskets in phase 2, cars have around 20-30,000 miles mosty outbacks and legacys. its gonna be a recal kinda deal that we put a aditive in the antifreeze to stop this. phase 2 are great motors also but they are no better than the first. my opinion if you want a great reliable motor i have seen 2.2, (newer version) that have 300,000 miles on them and never been opened up other than belts and so on. also 1.8s they are great motors also

 

matt

Testament of the EJ22's ability:

 

My buddy and I did a little drag off a stop light last night. He has a 95 BMW 325is, and I have the Jackrabbit (see sig). Off the line, run up to 6200 in first, clutch, 2nd, and drop, and she TAKES OFF to the moon again! back up to 6200, clutch, 3rd, and stop (speed limit 45 in a HEAVILY patrolled area. Just doing this we could have been in deep you-know-what). Not only did the Jackrabbit keep pace, she stayed ahead of the Bimmer, an I-6 w/ 180-190 horses! I'm so proud I did notice my buddy shifted to 3rd REALLY early (probably around 4000), but I'm still proud that my baby held her ground against that bavarian plushmobile

BM should have "only" 170 bhp if it's a stock engine.

 

The 136bhp in our EJ22's have the advantage - for some of us! - of being put to full use from standstill through the AWD

 

 

 

I wasted a Golf GTi yesterday

Originally posted by Setright

BM should have "only" 170 bhp if it's a stock engine.

 

The 136bhp in our EJ22's have the advantage - for some of us! - of being put to full use from standstill through the AWD

 

 

 

I wasted a Golf GTi yesterday

 

Nice :-D PS, it was modded a bit, better wires & plugs, cold air intake, different exhaust. so, 180-190 sounds close.

Yeeeha!

 

Show those Germans who's the boss!

There is a wide powerband in the flat four too!

 

Back when I had my Legacy Turbo, (and used to street race it out in the boonies), I beat:

IROC Camaro

BMW 3-Series (several)

'98 Firebird (2)

5.0 Mustang

Honda CRX's, Civics, Preludes (too many to count)

Turbo Volvo's (several)

 

The only cars I remember beating me were a Buick Gran National (a 12-second drag car though), a highly tuned WRX, a B18 CRX, and a ZR-1 Corvette.

 

Of course, this was with ported heads, a T25 Turbo, Modified Starion Intercooler, custom-fabbed plennium, 3-angle valve job, custom exhaust, custom intake, modified ECU, and a host of other weight and performance modifications. To top it off, this was all in a silver wagon, so the sleeper value was unmatched!

 

God, I miss that car...

:slobber: :slobber:

 

That is EXACTLY what I want to do to the Jackrabbit. drop an EJ20T in, better clutch, lightweight flywheel, turbo timer, and awaaayyy I go! I'd hide the intercooler, put on a set of Legacy GT 18 spoke wheels, and leave the trunklid rusty. The absolute ULTIMATE sleeper! I can only IMAGINE the look on the face of some poor schmo who just had his backside handed to him by a rusty old Subaru :D

I loved my EJ22, those imps are so light that even with only 140 HP stock it drives "like a bat out of hell"

 

extremely reliable too.

Besides the obvious addition or a turbine and reworked exhaust and intake piping, is the only difference between EJ22 and EJ22T just in the ECU?

 

How hard would it be to make an EJ22 into an EJ22T?

 

-MR

he he he back to the whole bmw thing...

a completely stock 95 325is has 189bhp. plugs intake and what not...probably 193bhp...no kidding. If he was running 85 octane I wouldn't expect too much from it. The bmw's really need minimum 90 octane or better to perform half way decent. Another reason why subarus are excellent cars. I swear these suckers strive on 85 octane.

 

But also you need to figure in the weight differences of these cars too. What exactly are we doing here? Just comparing the reliability of an engine. Or the performance of a car with an engine...like legacy to impreza?

 

Basically for every 11lbs you remove from your car it's almost equivalent to a 1hp gain.

 

I dunno it's 4am and I am rambling on now.