gunslinger Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 okay people. swervey and i (well, mostly I, swervey was galavanting in vantage... ...) threw SPFI in my 86 battle wagon last weekend and friday i finally got everything put back together inside, redid the legacy seat mounts cause you were hitting your head on the ceiling at every bump on the trail - too high. carpet's in, sterio wired, she's off the jackstands, ready to ROLL people!! :cool: and enter the water part. we're out at the local watering hole last night and i ran threw the hole that swervey sunk his 87 in last time. water's lower and seeing how i have ran threw it before with no problem i thought i would shoot it. well, halfway through, water's up to my wheels, no probs, had it higher before and ______________:-\ _______________. dead in the water. starter clicking and the brown nasty stuff is seeping in through all the rust holes and bad door seals on the passenger side of the rig (gee, good thing i just finished welding all the drain holes in the floor huh? now i cant drain it!! doh! ill just have to weld in a drain bung later) swervey swings around the bend and yanks me out. out come the plugs. hit the key, nada. clicking. well, no socket on me so ill try to turn it over with a crescent. SEIZED!! rock solid. SON OF A B@*!!!!!!!!!! this'll be the second motor that ive dropped in the car in the last 3 months. too bad she was a super strong 140K. looks like she'll be sitting on stands for another week or so. thats okay, ive got a nice limited slip rear and turbo trans to go in it at the same time then. CONCLUSION: SNORKELS ARE MANDATORY ON EFI MOTORS IF YOU ARE GOING TO SEE ANY WATER!!! ive done the that hole three or four times with a carb on the rig and she pulled through every time. the way that the water is directed up into the wheelwell just kills the fuel infected motor. it must do pretty good with the carb intake since its in the engine compartment, not in the wheelwell. well people, enjoy and learn. i sure have. now, i get to go tow the battle wagon home, wish me luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 You most likely sucked water into the cylinders. Take out all the sparkplugs and crank the engine over(disc the coil). Dont stand beside the engine, you'll get a shower Would strongly suggest a oil change also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeky Moose Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 heh i did that in my yota, 2 foot deep mud hole, (mostly water) i hit it 2nd gear 4 low, sucked water up the intake, hydrolocked the motor.. we drug it out, i let her sit for about 20 minutes, rolled her down the hill a bit dumping the clutch in small bursts.. then she finally cranked, blew all teh water out the tail pipe.. still running the same engine, never even had to change the plugs.. just the air filter.. runs good still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[ i ]nsane Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 Snorkels are nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger Posted March 21, 2005 Author Share Posted March 21, 2005 thanks bud. that would have helped if i hadntve known about that. that usually works but not when the motor is SEIZED. f***ing SEIZED. believe me, ive sunk approx 4 vehicles and this one wont move. we rallied the wagon behind swervey's 87 in a circle (dodging a large puddle/swamp in the middle and misc tires/car parts/trees/bushes/etc.) dropping the clutch in 4 low to no avail. we even got the thing out on the road behind my other buddies tundra, dropped the clutch 5 or 6 times to no avail. when i got her home i threw a breaker bar on the crank bolt and tried turning it but i only succeeded in OVER tightening the bolt. nothing. so im in the market for another motor. any one have a motor locally i can throw some cash at?? let me know this week if possible. my phone # is 425 478 8119. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik litchy Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 heh i did that in my yota, 2 foot deep mud hole, (mostly water) i hit it 2nd gear 4 low, sucked water up the intake, hydrolocked the motor.. we drug it out, i let her sit for about 20 minutes, rolled her down the hill a bit dumping the clutch in small bursts.. then she finally cranked, blew all teh water out the tail pipe.. still running the same engine, never even had to change the plugs.. just the air filter.. runs good still thats a good way to bend a rod. you should take the plugs out and crank the engine over to spit the water out first. water isnt compressible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeky Moose Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 thats a good way to bend a rod. you should take the plugs out and crank the engine over to spit the water out first. water isnt compressible but with 235k on the ticker, a wrist pin slapping (has been for over 100k) and another motor with 30k on it sitting in a 4runner for parts, what does it matter? lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 thats a good way to bend a rod. you should take the plugs out and crank the engine over to spit the water out first. water isnt compressible i guess i failed to point it out but, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS PULL THE PLUGS AND TURN IT OVER. ive done that 50 times before. thanks for letting me know that water isnt compressible...... sarcasm, hmmmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 This had NOTHING to do with EFI and more to do with you submerging your dang engine in water too deep! Don't blame your bone head move on EFI please. I've seen plenty of carbed engines hydrolocked from sucking in water due to water fording in something that was way too deep for their setup. The OEM snorkel on an EA82 SPFI engine can easily be rerouted with the MAF to a higher position. Again that has nothing to do with the EFI engine and everything to do with how you set it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger Posted March 29, 2005 Author Share Posted March 29, 2005 This had NOTHING to do with EFI and more to do with you submerging your dang engine in water too deep! Don't blame your bone head move on EFI please. I've seen plenty of carbed engines hydrolocked from sucking in water due to water fording in something that was way too deep for their setup. The OEM snorkel on an EA82 SPFI engine can easily be rerouted with the MAF to a higher position. Again that has nothing to do with the EFI engine and everything to do with how you set it up. boy sounds like i ran over your cat or youre on your period..... ... LIGHTEN UP. we're all having fun here. if you know how the subie FI works, then you also know that the intake for the FI setup moves outside the engine compartment under the fender. right where water hits it by the wheel, that is if you have forgotten to get the factory FI snorkel/intake that mounts there (which I forgot to grab). the carb setup has the intake inside on the inner fender so as long as you have forward momentum, (of course not if the water's 3 feet deep) you wont suck water. does that clear it up for you, or do you need me to draw you a diagram also? i wasnt even halfway up my front rims in the water when the motor sucked and seized! it had nothing to do with the water being too deep, you could have drove through a puddle on the road that deep after a couple days of rain up here in the northwest. the water just sprays up that intake hole to the airbox perfectly without that factory snorkel. i just got my motor in and the snorkel done this week and had water over my tires since, so i would say that there isnt a problem anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 your kindof a cocky little bastard arent you? why did you drive across deep water with your stock air intake hooked up? i've never done an efi system with the stock air box. seems kinda backwards, for a performance upgrade/build. im sure it was you, not the efi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85Sub4WD Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 the intake for the FI setup moves outside the engine compartment under the fender. right where water hits it by the wheel, that is if you have forgotten to get the factory FI snorkel/intake that mounts there (which I forgot to grab). the carb setup has the intake inside on the inner fender so as long as you have forward momentum, (of course not if the water's 3 feet deep) you wont suck water. don't forget the inner fender - that keeps water/debris out of the air box - which is actually located HIGHER than the carb intake is - I orig had a carb and switched it out to SPFI - that said I am going to cut the bottom off my airbox your kindof a cocky little bastard arent you? why did you drive across deep water with your stock air intake hooked up? im sure it was you, not the efi ditto on that - if you are going offroading or doing something else crazy - common sense says you should prep your car for it - that was your mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger Posted March 29, 2005 Author Share Posted March 29, 2005 your kindof a cocky little bastard arent you? why did you drive across deep water with your stock air intake hooked up? i've never done an efi system with the stock air box. seems kinda backwards, for a performance upgrade/build. im sure it was you, not the efi (1)cocky? its called confident. dont confuse the two. (2)it wasnt deep water, thats the point i was trying to make. i would classify it as a large puddle. ive driven through deeper water with my carb hooked up and with no snorkel. thats where i came across the conclusion that EFI setups arent any good in water if you dont have the stock snorkel box hooked up. (3)if you havent done an EFI setup/conversion than you really dont have a leg to stand on in the performance/upgrade argument catagory i would say. i didnt convert the battle wagon to SPFI to hop on the track and race rice burners. or to throw some cone thing on the end of the intake and call it upgraded. i converted it so i wouldnt drain the carb while balancing on 2 wheels and to get more power off road - and so i wouldnt have to wait for the silly carb to warm up. if you plan on getting into any water, use the stock airbox. you wont find any better way to seal the water in while not having the " I-made-this-snorkel-out-of-dryer/toilet-tubing-i-found-under-my-trailer". (4)"im sure it was you, not the efi" - part of the definition of insanity would be believing or professing something that you never witnessed or know anything about. since you werent in the car with me, you wouldnt know exactly what happened, correct? i hope my point has been made. im not coming to any conclusions about anybody on here so i hope the same courtesy would be shown to me. thanks and good night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swervey87gl Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 This had NOTHING to do with EFI and more to do with you submerging your dang engine in water too deep! Don't blame your bone head move on EFI please. I've seen plenty of carbed engines hydrolocked from sucking in water due to water fording in something that was way too deep for their setup. The OEM snorkel on an EA82 SPFI engine can easily be rerouted with the MAF to a higher position. Again that has nothing to do with the EFI engine and everything to do with how you set it up. I think that gunslinger was trying to HELP people on here who might want to add a little power to their carb subie by converting it to FI. What you had to say was not helpfull. If you convert your car to FI and don't get the air intake that is in the fender, it wont seal tight to the air box in your engine compartment. And if you go through any puddles large or small, the probability of sucking water is high. I did the same thing as gunslinger in the same puddle. I drove through it fast and in the center of it, he drove slow and through the side. I don't need anybody to tell me how dumb it was. Do you think when I am sitting in a puddle that is inside and outside of the car beer in my hand cigg in my mouth, that I could figure that out. And duh we were unprepaired, that was the whole point of this thread, to HELP people be prepared when they go out. So when your knocking him your nocking me. Sorry we were unable to think of every detail while we were teaching ourselves how to convert a car from carb to FI. And to remind you that I have never even looked under the hood of a sube until 6 months ago. But in our trial and error we were trying to HELP people on here. And you wonder why he snaps back at your smart a$& remarks. He ended his thread "well people, enjoy and learn. i sure have. now, i get to go tow the battle wagon home, wish me luck." "ENJOY AND LEARN", and you call him bone head. And from a charter member. Well thanks for your support. wongleflute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 (1)cocky? its called confident. dont confuse the two. (2)it wasnt deep water, thats the point i was trying to make. i would classify it as a large puddle. ive driven through deeper water with my carb hooked up and with no snorkel. thats where i came across the conclusion that EFI setups arent any good in water if you dont have the stock snorkel box hooked up. (3)if you havent done an EFI setup/conversion than you really dont have a leg to stand on in the performance/upgrade argument catagory i would say. i didnt convert the battle wagon to SPFI to hop on the track and race rice burners. or to throw some cone thing on the end of the intake and call it upgraded. i converted it so i wouldnt drain the carb while balancing on 2 wheels and to get more power off road - and so i wouldnt have to wait for the silly carb to warm up. if you plan on getting into any water, use the stock airbox. you wont find any better way to seal the water in while not having the " I-made-this-snorkel-out-of-dryer/toilet-tubing-i-found-under-my-trailer". (4)"im sure it was you, not the efi " - part of the definition of insanity would be believing or professing something that you never witnessed or know anything about. since you werent in the car with me, you wouldnt know exactly what happened, correct? i hope my point has been made. im not coming to any conclusions about anybody on here so i hope the same courtesy would be shown to me. thanks and good night. thou art a newb. i've done 4 efi swaps, without a "manual" or however you got er done. "make" a snorkel. and dont badmouth efis. it just makes you look long whinded. you got efi so you dont have to warm up your car? thats great. floor it when its cold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Can't we all just get along...we're here to love not hate...I'm a friggin' hippy [HTi]Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 ya, i've lived with hippies. never payin the rent, and stinkin up the house i just think dude man is making the wrong conclusions about efi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 I think that gunslinger was trying to HELP people on here.....Well thanks for your support. wongleflute. What's really not helpfull is blaming ones own mistakes on a fuel delivery system I've helped and answerd more people and questions on here than you could possibly imagine. I also call it like I see it; this here was a clear case of "oops!". Instead of owning up the blame was shifted to something irrelivant. Thought I'd clear up the water, as it were, by pointing out it had nothing to do with the EFI and everything to do with how the EFI swap was done and how the vehicle was setup. Sorry if the truth has offended anyone; as it was not my intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger Posted March 29, 2005 Author Share Posted March 29, 2005 What's really not helpfull is blaming ones own mistakes on a fuel delivery system I've helped and answerd more people and questions on here than you could possibly imagine. I also call it like I see it; this here was a clear case of "oops!". Instead of owning up the blame was shifted to something irrelivant. Thought I'd clear up the water, as it were, by pointing out it had nothing to do with the EFI and everything to do with how the EFI swap was done and how the vehicle was setup. Sorry if the truth has offended anyone; as it was not my intent. nobody here's offended. 's just stupid that you cant get my point. here it is again if you didnt understand the first time: 1 SPFI WORKS GREAT. 2 you have to get the stock intake parts if you are going to do the swap. 3 the water wasnt any deeper than a puddle. thats my point. i have no probs with the SPFI other than you need to pay attention to where the intake is under the fender and drive accor .................................................. im so done with this issue. you folks cant seem to get the picture so im not going to argue it anymore..... ill keep my opinions to myself next time i find something out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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