Hurley Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I have a 1992 Loyale and love every bit of it, a couple of opportunities have been presented to me recently the first being a 1970s or 1980s brat (it has the dual range but also has the rounded headlights so im confused), i want to buy it and fix it up with a lift kit as well as a more powerful engine which brings me to my second opportunity which is a 1984 turbo GL wagon that i can possibly get for free. I would take the engine out of that and put it in either my loyale or the brat if i buy it. what are your thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberoo Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 what kind of offroading do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 EA81T is 95 HP. Your Loyale is 90. Waste of time for 5 HP, and a huge mess to put it in. The Brat is probably an 81 GL. That's the only year of the Gen 1's that came as a D/R. The EA81T will take a lot of work to fit in there - steering linkage is in the way, and the crossmember won't fit the exhaust, etc. Plus it would be a shame to modify an 81 GL as they are really rare. I say put a 5 speed in the 84 turbo and drive it. Pass on the Brat unless it's in decent shape and cheap. Gen 1's aren't very popular. Or get both and keep all three. At any rate the EA81T is not a very good candidate for transplant into anything. It would suck in the Loyale as you would lose low-end torque (low comp. turbo engine), and gain only 5 HP at near 5000 RPM. You wouldn't notice it at all. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 (it has the dual range but also has the rounded headlights so im confused) Could it be a 82-87 brat with "Stardard" headlights? In other words, does it look like the same styling as the 84 MY wagon or older? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 Ubaroo: I havent done any offraoding yet, my car has been stock since i got it. i live in colorado so i have many options when it comes to offroading. GD: but if i can get the turbo engine for near nothing it will give me at least a little more something to get up and down these mountains and who knows i might stumble onto a bigger turbo Phiz: i have no clue, the people say its a 1978 but it has the dual range tranny so im not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 GD: but if i can get the turbo engine for near nothing it will give me at least a little more something to get up and down these mountains and who knows i might stumble onto a bigger turbo it's a ton of work to swap them (electrically speaking...). and you would have less torque for getting up and down the mountains. only a few more peak hp, and you'd only see that at about 5k rpms. and the EA81 is not a good motor to go boosting. they just can't handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodsWagon Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Colorado = altitude. The turbo motor may have a larger advantage over the N/A one than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 GD: but if i can get the turbo engine for near nothing it will give me at least a little more something to get up and down these mountains and who knows i might stumble onto a bigger turbo You would lose major amounts of low-end torque, and turbo's are not good up the mountain side. You have to keep the R's way up, and then they start to overheat..... yeah, bad juju. The SPFI engine you have is higher-reving, and produces insane amounts of torque. Plus the EA81T is way antiquated as far as it's FI goes. Parts are expensive and nearly impossible to find because they only made them for 2 years. You are talking a 5% increase in peak power, and a loss of probably 20% in low end torque. The turbo is 7.7:1 compression, and the SPFI is 9.5:1. Oh - and do you like the 30 MPG of the SPFI? I hope not cause the EA81T will get about 20 to 25 (usually more towards 18 to 20 though). GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Phiz: i have no clue, the people say its a 1978 but it has the dual range tranny so im not sure. Does it look like this?? Or this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 this is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 except for the fact that im currently getting about 20-24 mpg at best with my engine now so it wouldnt really matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 what i ultimately wanna do is swap an EJ22 from a legacy, get me up to 130 hp. that would really help. but i need to find me one first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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