Jump to content


Welcome to Ultimate Subaru Message Board, my lurker friend!

Welcome to Ultimate Subaru Message Board, an unparalleled Subaru community full of the greatest Subaru gurus and modders on the planet! We offer technical information and discussion about all things Subaru, the best and most popular all wheel drive vehicles ever created.

We offer all this information for free to everyone, even lurkers like you! All we ask in return is that you sign up and give back some of what you get out - without our awesome registered users none of this would be possible! Plus, you get way more great stuff as a member! Lurk to lose, participate to WIN*!
  • Say hello and join the conversation
  • Subscribe to topics and forums to get automatic updates
  • Get your own profile and make new friends
  • Classifieds with all sorts of Subaru goodies
  • Photo hosting in our gallery
  • Meet other cool people with cool cars
Seriously, what are you waiting for? Make your life more fulfilling and join today! You and your Subaru won't regret it, we guarantee** it.

* The joy of participation and being generally awesome constitutes winning
** Not an actual guarantee, but seriously, you probably won't regret it!

Serving the Subaru Community since May 18th, 1998!

Guest Message by DevFuse
 

Photo
- - - - -

reusing ej series mls head gaskets that haven't been heat cycled


  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

#1 jelly man

jelly man

    USMB Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 79 posts
  • Orem, Utah

Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:49 PM

I want to make a survey only of those who have actually reused mls ej series head gaskets that have not been heat cycled.  This thread is intended only as a survey of those who have done this.  I did a dumb mistake the other day and needed to remove a head that I just had milled.  I had torqued the head bolts before I noticed my mistake but hadn't assembled the engine any further.  I pulled off the head and looked at the head gasket closely.  I didn't notice any damage to the gasket and the gasket looked like new.  Two local repair shops said they would buy another and it wasn't worth the risk to reuse the same gasket.  The owner of the machine/repair shop that did the head milling said he had done it before and as long as none of the compound on the gasket had come off there wouldn't be any problem.  I did a search on the forum and a few people had done this and just reused the same gasket with no problems.  I want to start a survey here and see how many people have done this and what their results were.  Just post if you have done this on a ej series engine with the mls gaskets.  Post if it failed or succeeded, what engine and how many miles are on the engine after the reuse.

TIA

jelly man


Edited by jelly man, 04 April 2013 - 02:19 AM.


#2 Fairtax4me

Fairtax4me

    Su bah roo'n

  • Gold Subscribers
  • 8,423 posts
  • Charlottesburg, VA

Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:56 PM

The torque sequence you follow is designed to crush the gasket in a very specific manner so that it seals. Once the gasket is crushed the first time its done and reusing it will not allow it to seal properly.
If this were a shim gasket for an exhaust header or the EGR valve, sure I reuse those all the time. But head gaskets are an entirely different beast, and cannot be reused once they've been removed, even if they haven't been run.

#3 torxxx

torxxx

    I void warranties

  • Members
  • 2,914 posts
  • Fairbanks

Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:25 PM

+1 to Fairfax4me 



#4 torxxx

torxxx

    I void warranties

  • Members
  • 2,914 posts
  • Fairbanks

Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:27 PM

exhaust and EGR gaskets are not high pressure gaskets.   Head gaskets are, look at how thin the fire ring is.  you've got less than an 1/8th" of an inch and you are blowing exhaust into your coolant.   EJ25D already had an issue with that, and then the EJ251 had the external leak issue.. so you are already raising the risk of failure again.  Its not worth the hassle of having to redo a job because a 30 dollar gasket that is one time use didnt get replaced



#5 bstone

bstone

    Certified Subaru Nut

  • Members
  • 800 posts
  • boston, ma

Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:52 AM

I'd go with a new HG. Not worth the risk.



#6 jelly man

jelly man

    USMB Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 79 posts
  • Orem, Utah

Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:32 AM

Just noticed the replies to this topic.  Please excuse me.  I should have made it clear in the title also.  I don't know how to edit the title so I edited the original post to make it more plain.  I'm making a survey of those who have actually done this.  No more and no less.   I searched the board and only found a few mentions of those who had actually done this and no problems were mentioned.  Please just post only your own experiences with reused mls head gaskets that have been torqued, undone and retorqued once on an ej series engine without the engine being run.

again -- TIA

jelly man


Edited by jelly man, 04 April 2013 - 02:32 AM.


#7 ShawnW

ShawnW

    Subaru Master Technician

  • Administrator
  • 12,914 posts
  • Denver, Colorado

Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:51 AM

Why not just let everyone comment and read the comments?  Valid comments are still valid even if they aren't what you want to read or hear.  I highly doubt you are going to get great response rate on guys that did re-use them and know first hand how many miles are on the car now.  Additionally by MLS I assume 96-99 Ej25D head gaskets but those aren't the only ones that are that style.  The STI and the Turbo models sold beyond 2005 are MLS, the WRX is a MLS, etc.  These engines wouldn't necessarily be comparable since they aren't known for a high HG failure rate.  

I can certainly see your point but why would you delay your project for this one little mistake?  I would grab a new gasket and move onto the next job and sleep better knowing that your work isn't compromised by a gamble.  



#8 torxxx

torxxx

    I void warranties

  • Members
  • 2,914 posts
  • Fairbanks

Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:55 PM

you've got 3 guys with a combined 25,000 posts saying replace the head gasket.  

 

If someones done a hill billy rebuild and posted, I wouldn't take that as a legit answer. (Unless it was MilesFox, that guy can make anything work with nothing)

 

 You are asking if people are reusing a part not meant to be reused..  Its like taking a shower and putting dirty underwear and socks back on....



#9 johnceggleston

johnceggleston

    Lite Master of the Subaru

  • Gold Subscribers
  • 6,187 posts
  • Virginia

Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:53 PM

 Its like taking a shower and putting dirty underwear and socks back
on....

been there, done that.


Edited by johnceggleston, 04 April 2013 - 04:53 PM.


#10 mikaleda

mikaleda

    1000+ member!

  • Members
  • 1,329 posts
  • priest lake, Idaho

Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:01 PM

IMHO To me it would be worth the cost of the new head gasket just to be sure.

#11 Gloyale

Gloyale

    It's a sickness

  • Members
  • 8,810 posts
  • Corvallis, OR PNW

Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

Did you do the final retorque?  or just the first torque before the 180 loosening, and then retightening.

 

I guess what I'm getting at, is these gaskets ARE designed to be crushed, loosened, and then recrushed under the final 90 + 90  more degrees tightening sequence.  So if you didn't finish the entire sequence......the gasket is still good.  If you completed the whole sequence........hmmmm? not sure if you could get it to seal properly again unless you torqued/crushed it even harder.

 

I am gonna say it's a gamble, but could work, at least for 10-50k miles.  Is it worth the risk?  that's up to the OP.



#12 naru

naru

    1000+ Super USER!

  • Members
  • 1,743 posts
  • under the bridge

Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:15 PM

I`ve done it w/other motors than were run.Worked for me.
Would not recommend it though.

#13 ivans imports

ivans imports

    1000+ Super USER!

  • Members
  • 2,926 posts
  • lumby bc canada

Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:59 PM

We live in a world of reuse anything you can on race / buggy engines reuse headgaskets lots and keep them stuck to heads when changing out burnt valves or teardown to crank keeping gaskets undisturbed to reuse them. Only on dont care motors but have don it lots last years race engine changed 4 pistons 1/3 the headgasket was reused 3 times and is still going even with nos and boost. Mind you i have my own surfacer so perfect surface every time. Have seen gaskets painted with aluminum paint and reinstalled i like avinnioc form a gasket seems to work best use it on every headgasket i do on anymake and no problems. But the quality of the used gasket whould be the varibble some come off perfect and some dont could only be reused if was good to begin with.






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users