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Finally got an engine for this pile so I can get it out of here. Problem is the Importer sent an EJ206 long block instead. I called the importer and their response was, it's compatible. Change this and that and it works. In the end I got them to send a partial refund because of the mis listing and it was pretty obvious they were not willing to make it right. I knew the cam and crank sprockets would likely need swapped and planned on that, but water neck and a couple other things he noted were different too. The crossover tube is very different which is why I checked the codes in the first place. It also does not have an oil cooler?
Are the cam profiles close at least? I know it's a 9:1 compression and was rated at 255 HP. How much tuning is this going to require to keep it from blowing up or spinning a rod bearing?
I know they are obviously doing this so they don't break down more valuable EJ205's since TT setups won't fit LHD cars
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The Hybrid was discontinued last year. I think 2015 they discussed getting rid of it but it may have existed in 2016 also. Sales were low when it was in production.
Crosstrek is much smaller than Outback or Forester. IMO the Crosstrek is THE car. The others are too big, but if large is what you want then it may be good for you. MPG is good on all of them
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Engines have oil pressure within a second or so. Longer than it takes to wind up to 2k RPM and with 0w20 oil, it's got lubrication on a cold start. 0w20 is thin and flows nice when cold
This type of warmup procedure is NOT new. Cars with carburetors regularly had high idles in colder climates while the choke was on. Fuel injection came around it wasn't really 'needed'
My 1992 Suzuki Carry pickup truck, while it's a Japanese domestic that I bought straight from an importer and not USA spec. It idles at nearly 2,000 RPM with the choke on, and it's a coolant heated choke so it stays choked a bit longer than an exhaust heated or electric choke.
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That oil was a cheaper product of Ashland ( made Valvoline until 2017, now just a chemical company ). The oil was sold to various places and had the ratings for 1988 standards IIRC. Some brands did mark it for vehicles made before 1988 and was actually popular because of it's ZDDP content for older cars.
I don't remember who is bottling WM oil currently. FWIW, Walmart supplies bottles to various suppliers to meet their demands when it comes to automotive fluids. This is why sometimes the washer fluids are slightly different colors.. The oil in the containers now might not be the same as 6 months ago. A WM employee can find out manufacture by scanning the barcode
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Felpro is the OEM supplier of headgaskets for the EJ22E and can be had at many parts stores. They even have the FHI stamp on them. No need to go to dealer and pay extra markup
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Subaru does, or did supply new strut towers and they are spot welded in. Would be a large job but doable if the metal around the tower is good
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In a rust belt state, those cars are likely not in good enough shape to justify that coin unless your specifically looking for a '98-'02 1st gen Forester.
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I'll blow your mind, just because I can.
Subarus have center differentials which are normally 1:1 ratio.. USDM 5spd WRX are 1.1:1 ratio, so the front and rear differential rations do not match and it changes the balance.
Mind blown?
You can change a rear diff pretty easy and they all fit, but the flange changed in the late 1990's so if your trans is a 3.90 gear you might be hard pressed to find one that will work.. However a 4.44 JDM trans uses the same diff as an Auto Forester.
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This is a crap seller but a good example. These transmissions are $400 all day long from reasonable sellers. That's what I paid for mine, and they had several. Another place had them too for the same price and several others at this price. If you try to get one from a place like Osaka JDM motors, they sell good stuff but they are going to knock you for $1,500. They will give you the shipping free though.
The speed sensor wiring is different between turbo and non turbo transmissions but electrically the same. Iwire makes an adapter harness for $31 if you don't want to cut/ splice
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IMO, the conditioner works. If your head gaskets are not leaking enough to leave a mess on the floor aside from a little oil it will stop or slow the usage to a more than manageable state.
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another question..
how do i find out what transmission i have in my legacy wagon? it's not the original unit, and i didn't ask what it came from. i'd assume, though, the 5spds from ej22 motors are universally used, but also wondered if it could have come from a different motor. moreover, i wondered if it's mate-able to a different motor....like the ej20 series or even ej25's. see, if i can only find an automatic forester, just wondered if my 5spd could be used at all. it'd save me some money....and wouldn't it just be convenient?
Never worked with 5spds that old, but I know they are cable clutch transmissions. I don't know as they are convertible.. Forester was never cable clutch, always hydraulic clutch, but some base model Impreza's might have been in 1997-1998, so you could use the Impreza 5spd parts to use your transmission but the car would be a mut.. Transmissions bolt up 1990-2013, however the bolt pattern on the bellhousing added 4 bolts for 1999 for a total of 8.
If you wanted a 5spd but only found auto's, a JDM 4.44 turbo 5spd goes for about $500. The 4.44 matches Forester automatic rear diff and it will give the car a bit more zip than a standard 4.11 5spd
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nearly the same? haha...okay, so mileage is on par
hey.....i'm having a real hard time finding 1st gen's with sunroof and 5spd. was that even an option? or did the sunroof models all come with 4eats?
doubtful it was transmission dependent. The 5spd is just a hard find on itself.. If you were really ambitious though, you can replace a Subaru roof skin with a sunroof skin not that easy but doable
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My 2001 5spd Forester got 25 MPG no matter how I drove. The EJ251 was well worn, smoked cold pretty bad but it still ran good enough.. Piston slap was bad enough you would think it was going to fly apart, but once it got some heat in the cylinders it was dead quiet.
An EJ20 you can get around probably near the same Mpg.
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In the USA I think the engine tag will read EJ252 which is as best I can tell an EJ251 with a different intake manifold.. Most power you will make without going turbo
You could probably do an EJ204 and possibly get the active valve management working. But othwrwise, Aus got pretty much what JDM did until you get into the high end STI spec stuff which was JDM only for the most part.
You could use an EJ201/202/203 also if you didn't care about power
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1997-1998 EJ22E have a different piston crown, where if your feeling ambitious or need to change pistons anyway, you could use an Ej22E piston from say a 1996 and have non interference.
On anything phase 2 though, it's the cylinder head itself.. Ej20 head on an EJ22 block is namely WRX guys just putting together cheap engines when their EJ205 spins bearings and eats itself. This a whole different subject.. But still, interference heads, you can't change that.
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Not sure where your info is from. The EJ204 is a high compression version of the EJ205 with active valve management. Only the very early EJ204 got 155hp, others were 165-190hp
The numbers on the SOHC EJ20 are skewed a bit since Subaru never actually published the numbers. But generally 140-155hp is what your looking at. Ej22 is a published 135-142 ho engine depending on year..
As far as what makes the engines interference or not is the cylinder head design. If the pistons and valves occupy the same space at different times = interference, if not, then it's non interference. All Subaru engines have been interference since the EJ22 went interference in 1997
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others have modified the pin to work though. Are you saying this because the part numbers are different - because those are essentially meaningless as Subaru has changed part numbers on ECUs hourly for decades, or are you saying that for some other reason?
Here's someone that modified the pin and CCR employee mentioning doing it all the time on conversions...which also happens to be VW related!
No, the ECU numbers are actually the same.. The programming on them is unique to manual or automatic as far as I know. They only contain one flash but yes grounding the pin disables the Automatic functions. Idle speeds and such will still be set for Automatic ect...
That's why I suggested Project Lambda. It can turn off all the emissions systems and would be ghost CEL codes and write whichever tune to the ECU.. 1999 Forester has one of the tunable ECU's
As far as the break on trigger styles, They used 2 brands of ECU's in that time period. JECS and Denso.. JECS uses the 6/7 trigger pattern which goes back to about 1990 and then the Denso uses a more accurate 36-2-2-2 trigger pattern which is what they used from basically 2004- on.. The EJ22 phase 2's used the Denso unit, and I'm pretty sure some of the Legacy/ Outback models did as well.
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Yes you can, but I thought you wanted an SG ( 2003+ ) Forester..
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That's not really accurate. Starting in 1999 with phase 2, Auto and manual were different ECU's and they started using Denso ECU's in 1999 although they were not common. The Denso ECU's are the ones with different trigger marks. It's not an Auto/ Manual break. The phase 2 2.2L's got the Denso ECU and some Legacy models. Foresters all Have JECS from 1999- at least 2002
1999 uses a MAF setup and later than that uses a MAP setup but also has Air assisted injectors so the intakes are not interchangable
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It has to do with the quench. Actually ends up too tight that the flame front is shrouded.. They do make more power from more compression, but the engines don't run the best, they ping and then they end up blown up eventually
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You can bolt EJ22E 2.2L heads on a 2.5L block which will give you a non interference engine. higher compression. It works but it can be unstable. And is only compatible with phase 1 cars, which is 1990-1998 or 1999 if EJ25D car.
You could mixmatch thick head gaskets and stuff to try to make the valves not interfere, it indeed lowers compression, but also messes with the quench which is the flame front across the chamber. Quench needs to be right, or the engine just won't run very good.. It would need timing changes to maximize its poor tolerances and ECU's before 1999 ( early phase 2 actually ) cannot be tuned
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oh really????!!!!!
i will look into this!
that's the motor you mentioned before, right? which vehicles are those typically found in from factory? yeah, not much diff between 155 and 165. piston slap issues are nil? meaning what? it's a non-interference motor?
edit: i see....they were not available on the usdm...hence jdm. so, i'm not going to find one sitting in a salvage lot around here (i'm learning the ropes...
)Yeah, every JDM supplier in the country that deals with Subaru will have at least a dozen or so EJ201, EJ202,EJ203 on hand. They are all basically the same minus the electrical differences where you swap cam and crank pullies and sensors.. Price is well under $1000, some sellers will let them go for dirt cheap ( $500 or so ) if you show up with a truck and they don't have to do anything. Ebay or online price is right around $600
The early factory SOHC 2.5's ( EJ253, EJ251, EJ252 ) have a tendency to piston slap cold.. Sounds like rod knock but goes away.. The 2.0L is just a much finer running engine
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got it. thank you
i decided late last night that if, in the future, i did change my mind on the interference issue i'd go ahead with a sohc 2.5L and mls headgaskets if it needed them....ie, if they're not already installed. i'm reading with a phase II 2.2L there's only a 10% increase in power going to the interference configuration. the 2.5L 165hp seems worth the potentials of interference and the mls seems to be a good fix on the hg issue. am i right?
What I would do is buy an '03-'05 Forester that needs an engine. Find them lots of places. buy a JDM SOHC EJ201/2/3 and just drop one in and drive it. 155hp, they really don't have head gasket issues and the piston slap issues are nil.. Put a quality timing kit in and you'll never worry
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yeah if crank gear matches, cam gear will too.
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I forgot to update this. Walmart oil is bottled by Warren distribution at least in NY at this time.. That's according to the internal supplier information at my local walmart, from their inventory system