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While the engine was out of the white Outback I tested out whether the H6 engine mounts can simply be switched side to side to provide some engine setback. This is how they look in the stock orientation: The bolt holes don't quite line up on the engine if you put them on the opposite side but a little slotting would solve that. I think the pads that bolt to the engine are not parallel to the pad that sits on the crossmember so it would put some stress on the rubber when the nuts are tightened. The pads don't sit flush on the crossmember when switched side to side either (or I would have taken a picture) but that could probably be fixed with some hammering. Swapped some other parts over to the engine and trans from the parts car. J stopped by Saturday morning and helped me get the engine and trans in the car and mostly hooked up. He left just before B got to town. B called saying that he'd blown up the ball spline rear axle just as he got to town. Balls and pieces of cage fell out when he reached under to feel how badly it was shot. I loaded up the towbar, lights, and chains and drove the black Outback out there to tow him back. Just before I got to him the engine started running rough again. I let it idle and tried plugging the coil packs back in, one of them seemed to smooth it out a little and it's been running fine since but had no unusual trouble codes (always has torque converter and evap codes now). First we finished hooking things up on the white car, started it up on stands. I'd forgotten to connect the trans cooler lines at the trans so that puked some ATF out before we noticed and shut it off. It took almost twelve quarts of trans fluid to get it full while running. While we had the front suspension halfway apart and CV axles out, we decided to put on bolt on front wheel bearing knuckles (thanks Slammo). I had one new wheel bearing and one with about 12k miles on it from the black Outback with no slop. Antiseized bearings and new ball joints in them, had to turn up a couple sleeves for the top eccentric bolt (I have long travel struts set up a little different than stock with two modified eccentric bolts). The front dust shields were rubbing badly, bent those in as best we could with everything assembled, but the driveshaft was rubbing on the exhaust under engine or wheel braking. I vee cut the exhaust where it was closest to the driveshaft and welded it back together so it has at least an inch of clearance now. Over the winter I'll probably replace that center section of the exhaust with something stronger and replace the engine and trans mounts. Other than that it seems to run better than the old engine. Haven't driven it fast yet to see if it downshifts smoothly. Thinking about putting a JDM engine in the black Outback before a week long off road trip (or two) we're planning this year. The blowby worries me a little and I'm not positive I've solved the intermittent rough running when warmed up symptom. Tempted to put in an EZ36 but probably won't. Anyone know how worried I should be by the blowby and if there's something else I should check that would cause it to run rough sometimes when warmed up but not throw a code?
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Some tips on replacing an EZ30 and 4EAT in a 2002 Outback (all stock): Move the large AC line along the firewall out of the way. Managed to pinch that a bit between the pitch stopper brackets when removing engine and trans and it started leaking where the hose is crimped to the line. Fortunately I have one from a parts car. Drain the trans. I had a drain pan under the tailshaft when I pulled the driveshaft out and at first nothing came out. Unfortunately to remove the engine and transmission I had to tip them at about a 45 degree angle which caused a few quarts of fluid to drain out. Some of this of course happened as I was moving it forwards and I didn't realize it wasn't all draining into the pan. Also, what I'd recommend replacing while it's out: spark plugs valve cover gaskets - these always seem to leak oil cooler gasket (orange o ring between cooler and block) - this leaks even more consistently 21370KA001 coolant hard lines and hoses on the bottom of the engine for oil cooler and heater hose - in the midwest these tend to get rusty, not too expensive from the dealer 807611060 99078AA110 807611071 21328AA053 14165AA014 807615030 thermostat and gasket 21200AA072 21236AA010 heater hoses - I've had one of these spring a leak on my 99 OB, the protective sleeve they put around them is a good idea but seems to make them dry rot underneath 72411AC020 72421EA02A I also replaced the trans filter inside the oil pan. There was some metallic debris in the pan but the screen filter was pretty clean. The radiator upper water necks are turning white too, not sure if that is a problem or not, but since it's probably the original radiator I'm replacing it and the radiator hoses. EDIT: I would also recommend getting new engine and trans mounts, especially if you are using the car off road. Both trans mounts were split but they have a stud with a rubber faced washer and a nut holding it from moving too far. All the engine mounts for these early EZ30s I've had off are either already split or cracked, some of them you could pull in half by hand. The engine mounts on my 2002 white Outback weren't too bad but I should replace the engine and trans mounts over the winter. At the same time I'll probably make a heavier duty replacement for the middle section of exhaust.
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Trimming the stock bumper cover is a good idea, especially if he doesn't add lights between the bumper and headlights. Good point that if the bumper was body color it would really show the gap between the trim/fenders and bumper. Everything is 1/8" thick. Mild steel tubing 4"x4" and 2"x4", 4130 plate.
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It would be more sano but we figured when the bumper shifts around it would break the grill and trim. Also the grill probably hangs within an inch of the top of the bumper. He's also thinking about adding some lights or small light bars between the bumper and headlights. He's trying to decide what color to paint it. The rear bumper and all the trim is body color so that's my vote. He's got some gold wheels he's going to put on and thought about painting the bumper gold. We talked about painting it black too and/or using a bedliner (rough) paint. Thoughts on that?
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Worked on a bumper for Z's Forester XT over the weekend. He made these CAD templates and then copied them in steel for the mounting plates. He wanted it tapered more like travelvw's and a lot of the aftermarket bumpers are shaped now. Much fancier than the bumpers I've built, but we wanted it to be strong too. Started with a 4" square tube for the main beam and then started mocking up the ends in CAD. Don't worry about the rubber band city boy tires, he's going to put smaller front brakes on it and already has 15" alloys and will get better tires. Want it to stick an inch or two out from the lights and fenders to protect them on tight trails. Used 2"x4" for the main portion of the ends. Fit just above the stock airbox. Added a plate between the square and rectangle to cap the ends and give the rectangle more to push/pull on. Tapered the end like he wanted and added three receivers for jacking/winching. Revisited the CAD under that. Did the airbox side first as it was trickier, the other side we made the same for aesthetics but there's nothing in the way so the fit wasn't as tricky. To locate that access hole for the bumper mounting bolt I turned a point on a long bolt and threaded it into the mount, then held the plate up against it and it scratched a mark. Plan is to put round tubes between the bumper plate and that mounting plate so the bolt doesn't fall. I welded as much as I could with it on the car to act as a fixture. He's going to grind/sand all the welds flush and then paint it. We cut out a plate to cover that center section between the bumper and radiator support but ran out of time to mount it. Hoping we won't be using the towbar tabs or winch receiver often so that plate will cover them to make the bumper sano. I don't think there was a final decision on how to easily wrap a strap around it. We were thinking about notching the cover plate so it could be wrapped around the square tube. The grill hangs down pretty close to the square tube though, I suggested cutting out some of the dark parts of the grill so you can reach behind the bumper easily but it will still look basically stock. Another thought was to mount the grill to the hood and again cut some of the dark part of it out to access the hood latch. That wouldn't drop between the headlight trim though. In this picture you can see where we also mounted it to the tiedown tabs. Bumper off the car before I finished welding it. Fully welded it and he took it home. I'm anxious to see what it looks like sanded flush and painted.
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I would have to check but my guess is the diff isn't centered in the suspension. The input is offset from the output, maybe they split the difference so the driveshaft doesn't have as much angle as it would. Really seems silly to have different length CV axles and even crazier that the ball spline axles wouldn't just have enough extra plunge to fit either side. You can just measure them with a tape measure (I have one with cm on one side). The lefts are usually about 760mm compressed, rights 770mm.
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We've made our own links and I would have to check but they are probably the same length as SF. Slightly longer links might allow us more droop but might cause the axles to pull out of the diff at ride height. I have about ten used rear CV axles I just looked at and they all have oil grooves in the same direction (right hand helix). We've only measured two pairs of axles that had a known left/right and the lefts were 762mm compressed, rights were 772mm compressed. Have also measured at least one other pair from the same car that were 10mm different.
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The rear lateral links with the strut suspension are shorter than the axles. Only about 2" but it's enough. Even at ride height with a slightly lifted car the links are at more of an angle than the axles and it just gets worse with droop, pulling the CV into the bottom of the cup. There are other things limiting droop but if I go much beyond where I have it set now you can see the CV axle push the diff to the side in the bushings. If the ball spline axles continue to hold up in B's excessively lifted Forester they might allow us more travel.
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Three years out of a set of CV axles would be fantastic. I don't know exactly what CV angle our axles are at full droop, I want to say 25deg, but it's the plunge that limits our travel front and rear. Even with the rear strut suspension the inner CV bottoms out in the diff at full droop (among other limitations). It is not as bad as the multilink rear suspension but still a problem.
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03 outback rear suspension on EA81 - T-bone 2.0
pontoontodd replied to FerGloyale's topic in Off Road
1) hopefully that won't cause you any major problems. 2) It would be worth trying a different brand of axles, some of the aftermarket EJ axles definitely have less travel than the OEM EJ axles. Did anyone make six ball inboard joints for EA axles? Those seem to hold up better on the EJ cars than the tripods. If you're that close on clearance, the engine and trans not being exactly level side to side or some other minor issue could do it. Worst case you can just put a little less lift on that side, right?- 72 replies
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I would think so. I'd also think they'd have enough plunge travel to have one part number for left and right in the rear since they're almost interchangeable on a Subaru but they don't. Guess they were just going for more angle on the inboard for lifted cars. That is usually what goes back on B's Forester. I emailed the company I've bought a bunch of axles from to see how much plunge their ball spline axles have but so far no response. He's only driven on them for a few days but so far so good. After it ground that notch in the crossmember the noise has mostly gone away. Should be plenty of clearance with stock suspension, our fabricated arms shift the wheel forward an inch or so. Also replaced the steering rack in the 99 Outback. It was sloppy down in Texas. After we got it home and got it running with the body repairs and fresh exhaust, I noticed it would pull to the side a little when I got on and off the gas. My 2001 did that when I first bought it because the inner tie rods were sloppy. Replaced the rack in the 99 with the one out of the parts car and it may not be perfect but it seems much better. Took it to the coin op car wash and blasted the mud off the underside so I can take a closer look at the body sometime.
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Did a lot of Subaru disassembly and a little assembly over the weekend. Took the drivetrain and suspension out of this car Saturday: Most of the parts we kept: Took apart a fuse block after I removed all the fuses out of curiosity. Interesting high amp 3D PCB of sorts: Had some more time Saturday so we replaced a couple CV axles on B's Forester. Had one front and rear that were making noise. We're trying the Rock auto suretrac/tracmotive ball spline axles. Have heard a lot of bad things but also a few people who've put tens of thousands of miles on them in lifted Subarus. Unfortunately they don't have any more plunge travel than conventional axles. There are some aftermarket CV axles with less plunge travel but most of the OEM and aftermarket axles have 40-50mm plunge, so do these. If they can live at higher angles it might allow us to do more with the suspension. The biggest problem we found is that with the fabricated arms we made the front tires are about an inch forward of stock. This caused the female part of the ball spline to rub on the crossmember. It also hits the front control arm bolt at full droop. We decided to just run it and see what happens. After driving it less than half a mile it had already worn a notch in the crossmember but maybe that's all it will do. Worked on a bunch of little things on the black Outback too.
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I would do at least a few of these mods to a rust free car. I'm curious to see how my 2002 Outback and R's 2001 Forester hold up since they are rust free. Not that we will be giving them quite the same abuse my 99 has gotten. Drove the 99 some today, seems to be running fine, unplugged cats seem to have fixed it.
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The last body/rust "repair" I did was this. Mini skid plate for the rear subframe has been a good improvement. Now that the rocker is all rotted out/cracked up, the side mounting plate wasn't attached to anything. Made one a little wider and welded it on to the rocker. Not providing much structure but makes me feel better. If we decide to do more desert racing next year, a lot of seam welding and cotter pins will be going into the car this winter. Think I may have finally solved the rear hatch latch problem. For years now it's been semi posterior, you have to wiggle the hatch and play with it most of the time to get it to open. Made some adjustments that have seemed to help temporarily but it's been marginal. This last time I had to get it open by pulling off the rear panel and messing with the rods and latch, I noticed the latch mechanism was super sloppy. The old one is on the left, you can see the one rivet was starting to pull out, the other one is loose. Just put in one from the parts car on the right, seems to work much more easily and consistently.
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The cage probably helps the car generally staying intact, although it doesn't add as much structure as I originally thought. Since I really want to keep the car running for at least another year or two I don't have much choice but to fix it. On the plus side it costs almost no money, just a lot of time. I am curious to see how my 2002 H6 OB and my friend's 2001 Forester both with long travel and both rust free hold up to abuse. Our rusty to begin with 200k mile midwestern cars haven't held up well, that's for sure. Will keep the 97 Legacy Sedan crossmember tip in mind. The subframes on the parts car I just got look pretty solid so I'd probably just use those. The frame damage that ended our race was where front control arm bolts in. I think one of the bolts fell out completely and then the other one ripped out of the body. I made up these plugs to weld in the body. The big square one is for the outer bolt. I'd already put in one like it but it must have fallen down into the frame when the bolt fell out and the car kept bouncing along the roughest desert course ever. Cut the plate out of the side of the body to put the plug in. Got it in there, this one was a tight fit so I had to tighten down the bolt to get it seated all the way down. Welded it in place so hopefully I don't lose this one. Welded the plate back over the hole. Welded the smaller plug in for the inner bolt hole. Welded a plate over the control arm bolt hole and adjacent subframe bolt hole. Should do this on the other side over the winter. Welded a seam that appeared to be splitting a little. Painted it all. Most of it's going to rust from the inside out but it makes me feel better. (No pictures yet). I took the H6 exhaust off the parts car and ran our crude flow test on it (compressed air hose wide open in the outlet to backflush/flow test). Seems to flow as freely as you could hope considering it's going through a couple cats. Far better than the exhaust that was on the black Outback. Put that on the black Outback, still need to adjust the tube that hits the crossmember so it will sit right, but it's mostly on. Ran it with the AC on to give it some load for about 20 minutes. Still seemed to be running fine and not stalling. Puffing air out the crankcase even when cold. Will have to do some fab on the exhaust and assemble the suspension (going to safety wire those control arm bolts for sure this time) and then test drive it to see if that fixes the problem. For reference the 2002 H6 OB (same engine) has no noticeable flow out the oil fill cap when running hot or cold.
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Rule #1 buying a project car - buy something rust free. This part of the body was basically held in place by ratchet straps and the parking brake cable for the drive from Texas to Illinois. The failure was ultimately caused by the roughness of the course but the fact that this was probably at least halfway rusted off is the main reason it failed in my opinion. Notice the subframe bolt has also ripped out of the body (right side of picture). My friend got it basically back up in place, this is it partially welded back in. Wrinkle in the door frame. Door opens and closes tighter than before. It's hard to tell from these pictures but the rocker is just completely destroyed. Between getting smashed on thousands of rocks over the years and corrosion, there's not much left of it. Welded back in. Added a couple patches. Also welded part of the wheel well seam that is split top to bottom. Need to do some more welding on that but should at least clean the car first. At the front of the piece that fell out there was about an inch gap in the body so I patched that too. I had already done something like this on the other side. Trailing arm bracket bolted all the way through the floor with tubes to keep the floor from crushing. On this side I did the same with the subframe mount as that had also ripped out of the body. Welded it on the top side. When I did that I also welded a big washer to the bottom of the body where the subframe bolt had ripped out a big hole.
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Tried to get the black Outback running better. I spliced a fuel pressure gauge between the filter and the engine. It reads in the 40s normally, in the fifties with the vacuum hose off, which is about 10psi higher than the FSM says. When revved up it holds pressure. Even when I ran it long enough and got it to die it would hold pressure until the engine died, then it slowly drops. The accuracy of the small old pressure gauge I'm using could be poor. I did disconnect the return line and ran it into a bottle and ran the car that way. Pressure was still the same, seems like a good flow of fuel. So I don't think there's a restriction or kink in the return. I noticed a little smoke coming out around the dipstick, if you remove that or the oil fill cap there is a pulsating flow of air with a little smoke/steam. It seems to pulse about every other revolution of the engine indicating a bad cylinder. Took the PCV valve off a bad H6 which seemed a little looser than this one, cleaned it out, and put it on, same puffing out the oil fill. Took the intake off and there is a little oil from the breather hose. Air filter and housing seemed fairly clean considering where we just went. I have noticed it has idled a little rough lately, say the last month or so. When I first put the engine in you couldn't even tell it was running at idle it was so smooth. If you rev it up at all it smooths right out. So I think it's probably been like this for a while and I'm just noticing the puffs of air out the oil fill. We have noticed a rattle at idle a few times that seemed to be coming from the driver's side cat. I pulled the exhaust and started unbolting it/cutting it apart and some pieces of plutonium came out: The driver's side cat is all broken up, there are still a few big pieces in there that can't get out. These might occasionally turn sideways and block flow. The cat in the middle of the car where the pipes come together seems to be plugged, probably with debris from the driver's side cat. Blowing compressed air in there has a lot more resistance than any of the other pipes. Did a quick test with the exhaust completely removed and it still puffs air out the oil fill. Bolted up just the two pipes with the front cats and it seemed to run without stalling where it would have before. One time it did give a misfire cylinder 4 code. Disconnected one coil pack at a time, every time the idle would drop and get rougher. When reconnected the idle would pick back up and get smoother. Never got a misfire code while doing that. I am still working on some structural repairs we started yesterday (pix of that later). My next step is to put the exhaust from a car I just got on the black Outback and see how it runs, maybe drive it around the block a few times to make sure it will stay running. Anything else I should check/test? How bad is a little airflow out the oil fill?
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I have seen those. One problem I see is that without a low range, wheelspin is the only thing that allows us to climb steep grades sometimes. Cut down on the wheelspin and we'd have even more problems in a lot of cases. Also the improved traction would be even harder on the transmission, and I've already broken a few of those. If you had a low range and went easy on it, the rear locker would definitely help in some cases.