danthecarman Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Ok....So... I put the heads. cams, covers..etc. now we go hook up the turbo and it looks like I got screwed by my machine guy. I think he pulled the old switch-ah-roo on me and gave me a non turbo head. 1986 GL-10 Pic Below is the back side of the passenger side head and we cannot hook up the turbo oil feed and drain lines up to this head. We do not see the bolts or any place to hook the oil lines up too. Does anyone think he swapped our turbo head for a Normally Aspirated head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 You sure you didn't get the heads mixed up and reverse them? Unlikely your machine shop had a set of EA82 MPFI non-turbo heads laying around. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecarman Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 from what I can see there is no way to reverse the heads. There is only one way to do it. The exhaust ports would be facing up if they were reversed. Right? I do believe this to be accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWD TURBO! Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 [attach]7281[/attach] this help:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecarman Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 Yes, that pic does help and confirms that the wrong head was given to us. Which now opens a new can of worms on how to get the right one. This whole ordeal to get this car running again has been one giant lesson in patience. It did not help that the previous owner did a head gasket job and galled the threads in the block on one side. All the threads had to be re-tapped to a larger size and volvo head bolts used (they are slightly larger and amazingly, the same length) who knows if this will hold, but we were able to tighten the head down to the spec'ed torque with no ill issues. After getting a lot of stuff back together, we started to get the turbo ready and that is when I noticed the head lacked the ports for the oil lines and needed to confirm that indeed, we had the wrong head. Thanks for the replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) If it helps any, you can drill and tap the posts on the head to make it work. Save alot of trouble removing it and trying to locate another one. Edited January 19, 2010 by Turbone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log1call Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Left and right heads can be swapped. You don't flip them over, you swing them around the front or back of the engine as it were, and they go on the other side with exhaust down but front bolt holes at rear and rear oil holes at front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I'll bet if you actually LOOK at the driver's side head you will see the ports. Again I highly doubt the machine shop swapped them. They can be swapped left/right easily. Such is the case with all EA engines to my knowledge. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecarman Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 Ok..... to everyone. Thanks for all of the reply msgs. I will b on here FOREVER! I am a Subaru fan of about 15 years now! That being said.... I will have to check in the morning and I will let you know if we switched the heads around. I have never dealt with a turbo engine prior to this so I have to think differently I guess. C u all in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecarman Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 The heads are swapped on the wrong side. Just confirmed it. Thanks to all who responded. And Sorry for the double post in two topic areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Glad you got it straightened out, now you just need to swap heads. Btw, a little OT here......but I went to HS at Rim of the World and lived in Running Springs for about 14yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecarman Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 ok.... I got the 2 new gaskets and am about to tear into it. WE will be back in a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecarman Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 Glad you got it straightened out, now you just need to swap heads. Btw, a little OT here......but I went to HS at Rim of the World and lived in Running Springs for about 14yrs. I graduated in 1991 when did u? From Rim, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecarman Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 I'll bet if you actually LOOK at the driver's side head you will see the ports. Again I highly doubt the machine shop swapped them. They can be swapped left/right easily. Such is the case with all EA engines to my knowledge. GD You were correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I graduated in 1991 when did u? From Rim, that is. Umm, maybe before you were born :-p 1973 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubaruJunkie Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Jesus Rob!!! You ARE old! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Jesus Rob!!! You ARE old! Only on paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Glad you got it sorted out. It's not at all common sense that the heads would be interchangeable - such is not the case with very many engines. It's an understandable mistake. In the case of the old non-turbo's before EGR came on the scene - heads were interchangeable and you might not even know you swapped them GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Txakura Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 oh lord GD don't tell me that... yet another way for me to screw things up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nncoolg Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I am interested in the head bolts, do you have any more info about them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesFox Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 funny thing, i got a subaru dropped off to me to do head gaskets. the previous mechanic installed the heads backwards. this was spfi, the car was running and driving, with a copper pipe bridging across to connect the egr line from the egr to the other side of the motor next to the water pump pipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eulogious Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 funny thing, i got a subaru dropped off to me to do head gaskets. the previous mechanic installed the heads backwards. this was spfi, the car was running and driving, with a copper pipe bridging across to connect the egr line from the egr to the other side of the motor next to the water pump pipe. Wow, talk about taking WAY to much effort to fix an easy, and obvious problem... I would stop and think to myself, this is not right, let's look at this again, it did not look this way before I touched it. Not, hmm, I am going to fab up some stuff to make this work correctly again, even though it was fine before I got it and it didn't need any fab work before it came to me... Let's see what do I have laying around to "fix" this new problem... Wow, just wow. That takes a special someone to do that, and then to accept it back from the mechanic that way!?!?! I would kick the mechanic in the balls and tell him to keep his hands off of it and then just not pay him and drive away. What a tool... Good story though! I am curious though, did that mod make it go faster at least? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesFox Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Wow, talk about taking WAY to much effort to fix an easy, and obvious problem... I would stop and think to myself, this is not right, let's look at this again, it did not look this way before I touched it. Not, hmm, I am going to fab up some stuff to make this work correctly again, even though it was fine before I got it and it didn't need any fab work before it came to me... Let's see what do I have laying around to "fix" this new problem... Wow, just wow. That takes a special someone to do that, and then to accept it back from the mechanic that way!?!?! I would kick the mechanic in the balls and tell him to keep his hands off of it and then just not pay him and drive away. What a tool... Good story though! I am curious though, did that mod make it go faster at least? i'll have to get a pic of this. the car is behind my garage and i will be pulling the motor. The owner of the car paid some fool 700 bucks 2 years ago to rebuild this motor. he claims all the bottom end has been redone. but i have a feeling he paid this fool 700 to put the heads on backward. i bet the mechanic thought he was going to do the crank and rods until he removed the oil pan:lol:. i bet you a dollar this motor was never apart on the bottom end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eulogious Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 i'll have to get a pic of this. the car is behind my garage and i will be pulling the motor. The owner of the car paid some fool 700 bucks 2 years ago to rebuild this motor. he claims all the bottom end has been redone. but i have a feeling he paid this fool 700 to put the heads on backward. i bet the mechanic thought he was going to do the crank and rods until he removed the oil pan:lol:. i bet you a dollar this motor was never apart on the bottom end I think pics would be a good addition for sure! That way people can see what happens when you swap heads Or at least what happens when you pay a fool to do the work, and then he swaps the heads. At least this poor owner now has a competent mechanic working on it, so good for them the second time around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecarman Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 I am interested in the head bolts, do you have any more info about them? Are you speaking of the bolts from the volvo that we used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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