[HTi]Johnson Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hey all. I have a 1987 Subaru GL-10 Turbo. I have a few questions. What makes the injectors fire? Is it the posistion sensor? And I believe my #3 cylinder is dead. IT wasn't before I resealed it. It has spark...so my guess is it's the injector. And how can I check to see if the injector is actually squirting? THanks all, it's been a long day. [HTi]Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 Oh yeah...about the timing...there isn't a vacuum line coming off the disty...is that normal? And I have a place where a vaccuum line goes...in the back of the manifold...what's that? EDIT:: DANG I just read on the USMB Repair Section...Timing Belt Check and Adjustment. I installed the belts wrong.. I put both dots up at the same time...on the cam sprockets!! NO!! Damn Haynes manual...is probably says something about that...but I just looked at the pictures! AH MAN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85Sub4WD Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 We all make mistakes!!!! I just about put them on wrong when I changed them on my car Hey all. I have a 1987 Subaru GL-10 Turbo. I have a few questions.What makes the injectors fire? Is it the posistion sensor? And I believe my #3 cylinder is dead. IT wasn't before I resealed it. It has spark...so my guess is it's the injector. And how can I check to see if the injector is actually squirting? THanks all, it's been a long day. [HTi]Johnson The injectors fire via signal from the CAS (crank angle sensor or distribuitor) no there is no vacuum line going to or from it. To see if the injector is actually squirting requires removing it, and usually shipping it to a place that specializes in cleaning injectors. You can have someone crank it while pointing it into a cup or something .... but I would really suggest that you DON'T try that b/c of the pressure the fuel is under. Part of the FSM for a 1989 Subaru can be found at this website, it will give you better info than the Haynes, as 87s and 89s are virtually identical. http://www.finleyweb.net/default.asp?id=142 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 1984 GL-10 Turbo OK i fixed it. But now, it lugs around 4kRPM like power cut out. Could it be a clogged cat(s)? It back fires. I'm sorry for lack of information and details...I'm tired. I don't have an air filter on and it's timed at 8'BTDC. I can't go faster than 50mph in third. When it is nuetral I can rev it out with no probs. Is there any common probs with these turbos? THanks [HTi]Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85Sub4WD Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Um, I think timing for these is supposed to be 20 degrees BTDC @ 700 rpms (MT), 800 rpms for (AT). I know that is what it is for 1989 turbos (checked FSM), but 1987 is very similar. Given the symptoms, I think timing is your problem. Good Luck!! Glad to hear it's almost done!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 I'm sorry for not stopping, but this car is giving me hell. I have it timed at 20'BTDC. The problem: Bad hesistation. When I first start it (Cold) it revs fine. Then it gets worse. I tried to move when it was cold. It started to move then it would lug and bounce and then once the turbo started to spool it would go to 4 grand and then cut and lug and bounce. I thought it might be to much back pressure so I removed the exhaust from the turbo and tried.(I know the O2 sensor isn't there). It would do the same thing. Could it be a bad o2 sensor? I kinda thought it could be the fuel pump, I haven't check into it yet. Could it be the fact I don't have any type of air filter on the intake, it's just the MAF setup? When it is up around 4 grand and I am trying to move, it backfires out the intake, not a lot, just every now and then...but I am pretty sure all the valve timing is on...Valve mark centered, Disty Side Cam gear mark up and passenger side down. Thanks for your time and help. [HTi]Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85Sub4WD Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 See if you can pull some codes from the computer. They will best tell you what the problem is at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 So it'll give codes when the check engine light isn't on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbobdole Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 ummm... no air filter? did you even plug in the MAF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Did you have the green connectors beside the ECU connected when you set the ignition timing? Did you remember to unplug them when you were done? Have changed the fuel filter recently? Do you have the waste gate duty solenoid (located between the air box and the pass side strut) plumbed correctly? What is supporting the MAF if you have no air box fitted? Or is just the element removed. Make sure the hose from the turbo to the intake plenum (Al piece with "Subaru Turbo 4WD" on it) is clamped tightly. I have seen where this hose will lift off under boost and cause this type problem. Sorry for all the questions, just attempting to help. two posts back you call this a 1984 GL-10, Do you want to fix this typo please. An 84 has a different fuel system in reference to the mass air flow sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudrat79 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Hey Justin..... Call me ....That Engine Ran fine when I brought it Home....??? I say you still have timing issues.....Are you 100% sure you didn't get one of the belts a Tooth off when re-installing them.....??? it is very easy to do....... Talk soon, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I agree with John, this could still be a timing issue. You said it backfires thru the carb, this is a sure sign of bad timing. Might want to check those belts again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted February 10, 2005 Author Share Posted February 10, 2005 I'll check the timing, again.:-\ Today I decided to look at the little LED in the MPFI box, it blinks 1 1 1 1 ::pause::: 1 1 1 1 . When the car isn't running. Then I turn it on and it pauses for a while...then starts blinking again same code. I fiugred that 1 1 1 1 means 4 so I checked the FSM and it said it specifies that it's a California AT car...or am I wrong? THanks, [HTi]Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 Another possibility is trouble in secondary-voltage Land, as in bad plug wires or plugs. Bad wires caused no end of gremlins for me recently, and it doesn't take much wiggling around before a marginal wire goes bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 I think you are correct about the code. After reading your posts a thought went through my mind but I didn't really want to say something you REALLY didn't want to hear. I hope I am wrong about this, but I think your idea of checking the timing again may be what needs to be done. It sounds to me that one or both of the cams may be a tooth off. Ok, I said it. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted February 10, 2005 Author Share Posted February 10, 2005 I hope you are right. Because I am going to check it tomorrow. As for plug wires, I have an inline plug tester....i tested all the plugs...i got spark through the wires. But I'm going to change them anyways...once i get it running right. I'm going to try to stop posting about this damn car...sorry for the troubles. [HTi]Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudrat79 Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 Don't quit posting...this is how everyone learns the most about gremlins and Other odd issues with these cars.... Because that car started life as an Automatic, you have to go up under the dash and Plug a Test mode wire in to get old or stored code...... Is the stick in it yet, or is it still Auto....?? Let me know, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted February 11, 2005 Author Share Posted February 11, 2005 I lied, I'm posting again. The timing is %100 on...I quadruple checked it today. I am starting to lean towards fuel cut issues. When I first start it, it idles at 1500rpm then suddenly decreases to a seizure....and then dies. THen i try to start it again... and it idles really low then dies...then i turn the key on off on off on off then start it and it idles at 1500 then dies, the same. When it is idling at 1500RPM and i give it gas...it bogs down, then when i release the throttle, it reuturns to 1500rpm then dies. [HTi]JOhnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 From what you describe it does sound like a fuel problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85Sub4WD Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Are you sure you bypassed the AT inhibitor switch?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Just for a qwik test Unplug the MAF then try your start sequence Does it change anything or behave the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted February 12, 2005 Author Share Posted February 12, 2005 The maf unplugged causes it to change. ABout that switch...where is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royboy159 Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hey Hti If your positive the belt timing is correct then consider a defective distributor cap. There also seems to be a fuel problem. Does the engine even get a chance to run 2 minutes before dying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[HTi]Johnson Posted February 13, 2005 Author Share Posted February 13, 2005 It does run...for a while...until i try to give it gas. I actually think it's the ignition timing...I just learned about the test mode connectors. I'll keep ya'll posted on my idiotness. [HTi]Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royboy159 Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Hey HTi-----Just a thought. Is there gas in the tank. Last week I helped a guy with similar symptoms. Turned out empty tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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