fnlyfnd Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Exactly as the title states: how did they increase the gound clearance by 1.1" on the new gen outbacks?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMattyD Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Exactly as the title states: how did they increase the gound clearance by 1.1" on the new gen outbacks?? They drove the car up onto some two by fours??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdrsubaru Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 gave it some Roids??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuBrat84 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Exactly as the title states: how did they increase the gound clearance by 1.1" on the new gen outbacks?? Is this compared to other outbacks? i know outbacks have taller struts than normal legacies... maybe they gave them even taller struts? taller springs? 1" block lift? I don't know for sure. "Increase compared to what vehicle?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainBiker Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Exactly as the title states: how did they increase the gound clearance by 1.1" on the new gen outbacks?? I think they just tucked the exhaust y-pipe up higher. That is just a guess based on looking under one when they came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Is this an increase over Gen 1s or Gen 2s? Or the first batch of '05+ models? 1.1" is quite a bit...they measure from the pumpkin, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonball Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I think he means in between the 04 and 05 models. My question within this question would be since they did raise it did it gain 1.1" of wheel travel or did they just block it? Also would this put a lot a stress on the half shaft. Old height 7.3" new height 8.4". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSubaru Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I don't know how, but I know why, and don't like it.... Outback is now classified as a "light truck" so it doesn't have to meet the same gas mileage ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Maybe they're being sneeky and they just measured it from a different part of the underbelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainBiker Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I think he means in between the 04 and 05 models. My question within this question would be since they did raise it did it gain 1.1" of wheel travel or did they just block it? Also would this put a lot a stress on the half shaft. Old height 7.3" new height 8.4". Take a look at one, and you'll see that the shaft angle didn't change, at least not a noticeable amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonball Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 If that's the case then I really wonder where Subie takes there measurement because the bottom of the diff would be constant since tire size is consistant. Hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 if you look at the 2000-2004 outbacks, they're really not that high. nothing noticeable over any other wagon really. if you look at the 05-06 there is definitely a difference and it is much higher. in my 96, when i put the outback struts on, i'm up to around 9.5 (slightly lower...maybe 9.3/9.4) inches of clearance at the rear pumpkin. they probably just tried harder than they did with the 00-04. taller struts would do it no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smpol19 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I don't know how, but I know why, and don't like it.... Outback is now classified as a "light truck" so it doesn't have to meet the same gas mileage ratings. I've heard this before and don't understand it compleatly. The Cartalk guys got upset about this a couple years ago too. Looking at a side by side comparison of the 2004 and 2005 outback wagon they have the exact same gas millage according to www.fueleconomy.gov. The 2005 also has somewhat lower green house gas emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnlyfnd Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 Yes i am talking about new gens compared to older gens (outbacks). My question is why not do what subaru did to the new gens - to our old gens. Raise it 2" w/ scorpion springs then 1" with subarus technique, and you know have close to 10.5" of clearance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Yes i am talking about new gens compared to older gens (outbacks). My question is why not do what subaru did to the new gens - to our old gens. Raise it 2" w/ scorpion springs then 1" with subarus technique, and you know have close to 10.5" of clearance i've put serious concideration into king springs+outback struts, but my concern lies in the CV joints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnlyfnd Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 same here. I need to make a friend who is a machinist to fab me up a body lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger83 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I think he means in between the 04 and 05 models. My question within this question would be since they did raise it did it gain 1.1" of wheel travel or did they just block it? Also would this put a lot a stress on the half shaft. Old height 7.3" new height 8.4". Apparently it is both different struts/springs, and subframe spacers. But SOA makes the point that the roll center of the new models is lower than the previous generation, partly because of the aluminum hood and rear hatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainBiker Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 If that's the case then I really wonder where Subie takes there measurement because the bottom of the diff would be constant since tire size is consistant. Hmmm... They can take their measurement from wherever they want to. They only have to pick a method that is somewhat defensible in court. However, from the numbers I've seen, Subaru has never measured the clearance from the pumpkin and claimed it in their documents. That is probably because the pumpkin is so much higher than all the other low points further forward. Like I said before, Subaru didn't put a significantly steeper angle on the shafts. So talk about struts and springs is pretty meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 all they have to do is move the lowest part of the car up to gain clearance. There are many ways to do it, some very subtle, some not. BY moving cross members, raising the rear diff, the exhaust system, lengthing drive shafts, tire size, it all adds up fast. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Setright Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Ranger, the center og gravity might move with a lighter hood/bonnet, but the roll center is calculated from the suspension angles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99lego Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 i've put serious concideration into king springs+outback struts, but my concern lies in the CV joints. compesate with frame member spacers and various other steering components from the donor ob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger83 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Ranger, the center og gravity might move with a lighter hood/bonnet, but the roll center is calculated from the suspension angles There are two definitions of roll center. One is as you describe. But to quote Wikipedia as one source: The most commonly used is the geometric (or kinematic) roll center, whereas the Society of Automotive Engineers uses a force based definition. The "geometric" role center is only useful until a load is applied, since as a practical matter the center of mass of passenger cars is always above the geometric roll center (until they roll over, anyway). That's why SAE defines it as: The point in the transverse vertical plane through any pair of wheel centers at which lateral forces may be applied to the sprung mass without producing suspension roll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Note to all who write after this... NEVER argue with Wikipedia...it DOES know everything... The only way to know how they increased ground clearance is to know exactly where they measured on the car. It seems that no one has come to a conclusion with that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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