KMR Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Well, after my USMB guided success with CV joint replacement it is time to attack the clutch. I have read as many threads as I could find about the job and it seems that most opt to pull the motor out. Is this simply because it is a better approach, or would the use of a lift make dropping the trany easier? I have a 2 post lift, which method do you guys think would be easier? Thanks for all the great info, Kevin R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86ruguy Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 i would (and did) pull the motor, it's just easier to line up motorto tranny i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrKrazy Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Pull the engine, I've done it both ways and still stick with pulling the motor. Easier work, more stuff to disconnect...but also gives you a good reason to reseal up the motor why you have it out (Cam Covers, Cam Seals, Crank Seal, Rear Main, Timing belts, etc...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMR Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 ....good reason to reseal up the motor why you have it out (Cam Covers, Cam Seals, Crank Seal, Rear Main, Timing belts, etc...) Ooooohhhhh, good point. crap I should really do those things, especially the rear main. Should I get that from the dealer? I always have had bad luck with aftermarket gaskets on other vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnW Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Trans is much easier if you have a lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calebz Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Pull the motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 pull the motor but make sure you mark all you vaccume lines and what not I didn't and now I'm going threw hell to get everything plugged back in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncoolperson Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 pull the motor but make sure you mark all you vaccume lines and what not I didn't and now I'm going threw hell to get everything plugged back in what he said or really detailed pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Since you have a lift, I'm with Shawn on this - pull the tranny. You can do all those seals with the engine in place. For us poor folks without lifts the engine is the way to go, but the tranny takes less time if you have a lift. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMR Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Wow, I really like the "similar threads" tool at the bottom of the page, there are a few in there that search did not turn up. So anyway, I really appreciate your willingness to rehash this topic. Since the availability of a lift comes into play my situation is a bit different than those covered in most of the other threads and I appreciate your opinions. I know I will need to do the rear main (actively leaking) but that can easily be done with the motor in place I suppose the timing belt should probably be done (doubt it has ever been done) and I imagine that could be quite a pain with the engine in the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrKrazy Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Yes I have to change my mind (didn't read the part about the lift :-\ )...just pull the tranny..all those seals and timing belt, etc can be done with the engine in the car without too much trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMR Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Yes I have to change my mind (didn't read the part about the lift :-\ )...just pull the tranny..all those seals and timing belt, etc can be done with the engine in the car without too much trouble. Timing belt as well?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Timing belt as well?? Yep - easy actually. Pull the radiator if you have large hands like me, but no need to pull the engine at all. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollie715 Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I've seen a clutch installed without pulling either, just by disconnecting a few parts from the tranny and moving the tranny back a few inches without disconnecting the axles. A couple guys could do the whole job in one short evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncoolperson Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I've seen a clutch installed without pulling either, just by disconnecting a few parts from the tranny and moving the tranny back a few inches without disconnecting the axles. A couple guys could do the whole job in one short evening. that was a good time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I did mine on my lifted wagon by pulling the trans. I think in general, if you've got a lift, pull the trans. if you've got an engine hoist (but no lift), pull the motor. if you've got neither, get some ratchet straps, and a buddy, and drop the trans. if you do pull the trans. when you're putting it back in, disconnect the pitch stopper, and the lift up the front of the motor (a jack and a block of wood on the oil pan work well) to make re-installation a bit easier. I found that putting the trans in with 2 guys (me and my dad), and a couple ratchet straps was easier than when I dropped the motor into it a year later. I had a hell of a time getting things to line up when I was dropping in the motor, and then when it finally did go, I darn near lost a finger between the block and the trans bellhousing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvexplorer Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Hardest part of doing the clutch on my loyale was separating the engine and tranny. I pulled the motor and used a jack under the tranny to line things back up when I dropped the motor back in. Bonus to pulling motor is cleaning the engine bay and might as well give the engine a scrub while its out. The easier way for you sounds like the tranny though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I know I will need to do the rear main (actively leaking) be careful with the rear main seal. there are a number of cases where freshly installed rear main seals have leaked. Mr. Radon at xt6.net after rebuilding his ER27 (same rear main as the EA82) and also steve's EA82T i think it was, and others. these were both this year. I'm not sure why that happens, but be very careful as it would suck to have to drop trans/pull engine just for a $7 seal. I suppose the timing belt should probably be done (doubt it has ever been done) and I imagine that could be quite a pain with the engine in the car. timing belts are way too easy to even bother figuring in the equation. EA82 timing belts can be done in 30 minutes. usually takes longer, but just for refernce they aren't hard at all to do in the car. here's where the confusion comes in on the trans/engine removal. the transmission can definitely come out quicker than the engine. so from that perspective the job *could* be quicker by removing the trans. but handling a trans from under the engine is more awkward than an engine with an engine lift. if you're set up well with a lift and have good equipment to manuever the trans with on reinstallation or a couple people then that can be quicker. you'll have to look at what resources you have and figure out which is better for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMR Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Every other clutch that I have done has been straight forward, pull the trany, just makes sense. I was just worried that I was missing something since everyone seemed to favor pulling the engine. I think I will go with the trany, pull it right out, make sure the new rear main is in perfectly (OEM part? or auto store part?) and lift the trany back in to place. What is the weight of an impreza transmission? I was planning on putting a normal transmission jack on a sturdy rolling cart and basically lifting the car off of the transmission. Thanks, Kevin R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 What is the weight of an impreza transmission? if you need exact numbers, then ignore me. if you're looking for ballpark then 135 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I just realized you have an impreza. that doesn't change much of anything with the clutch job. in fact, makes for a little better argument for pulling the trans, since the engine's a little more complicated to remove in an EJ car. but you're in the wrong section, imprezas would fall under the new gen. we were all thinking you had an EA81 or EA82 subaru... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMR Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 ...but you're in the wrong section, imprezas would fall under the new gen. we were all thinking you had an EA81 or EA82 subaru... Sorry for the mistake, you guys have been more than helpful and all the information I have needed has been fairly generic so far (cv joint changing, where to get parts and the like) So I don't think I have gotten any misinformation Before we switched from ".net" to ".org" I seem to remember a definition of "older generation" as being pre late 90s. So I stuck with it. Should I ask the Mods to move this thread to the other forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMR Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Oh crap, I just checked and somewhere in there I got mixed up as to what forum I was supposed to be in. Sorry again, I am on another automotive forum where I am much more knowledgeable and I can never understand how people can make silly mistakes like the one I just made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Should I ask the Mods to move this thread to the other forum? At this point it's not important as the information really applies to both. Pobably just want to ask other questions over in new gen. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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