nvexplorer Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Clutch went out on my Loyale. Got to the point that just by hitting the gas too hard the clutch would slip. It wasn't too bad to replace. I could actually bend the old disk with my fingers it was so thin. New disk has been working fine. Definitly go for the kit if you are doing it yourself and make sure it comes with the pilot and throwout bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 Join Date: Dec 2005 City: Minneapolis State: Minnesota Age: 29 Posts: 198 iTrader: (0) Vehicles: 96' Legacy Brighton Re: trying to explain the change in my car Before you shell out $500 for clutch, make sure there's no easy fix. Check fluid in clutch cylinder, check that there is some freeplay of clutch pedal.>>what do you mean by free play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvexplorer Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 check that there is some freeplay of clutch pedal.>>what do you mean by free play? You should be able to push the pedal down at least a little ways before the hydraulic cylinders kick in to move the release fork. If you have no freeplay it could be that your clutch isn't having the full amount of force applied to it when you let off of the pedal. You should be able to tell when the master cylinder starts to pressurize the system when you push in the clutch pedal because there is more resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 sounds like I have hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 where is the clutch cylinder? I just went to check. I have found the brake fluid reservoir. There is s small black cylinder between the brake fluid reservoir and the windshield washer fluid reservoir. however I don't know how to get it open. does the car have to be warm in order to accurately check it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Folks, remember gritle has very little knowledge about cars, so please explain what you are saying. Gritle at the milegae on your car, a worn clutch is not unreasonable. http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/techcenter/articles/43837/article.html will explain clutch free play. The cap should just unscrew. The car does not have to be warm. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 so I just drove around the block. there seems to be a bit of freeplay. However at a stoplight I let the clutch out completely and the car slowly moved forward. still no luck finding the clutch cylinder. I'm beginning to see a worse case scenario here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmanaenk Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Here's a pic for you, from 99 Factory service manual. For reference - on the right is a side of brake booster - round thing attached to the firewall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Are there any US MB ers nearby who will volunteer to help her check this out? If she was in CA i'd have a look for her? Sounds like clutch time to me and a good mechanic she can trust would be in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 I am not a woman just not a car buff. though if there were suggestions in the area I'd be happy to entertain them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Sorry, your pen name threw me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 no problem the help is greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 any thoughts on how long an aging clutch can last? is cold weather much of a factor? will my car ultimately not move? what is the outlook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 is a better course to replace the clutch or sell the car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 replace the clutch. This is wear item on any car. Any car with a stick will need this changed eventually. Selling the car because of a worn clutch is as silly as selling it cause it needs tires. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steves72 Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 any thoughts on how long an aging clutch can last? is cold weather much of a factor? will my car ultimately not move? what is the outlook? Get some quotes and place that clutch. Eventually, and sooner than later, it will leave you standing on the side of the road. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 25, 2007 Author Share Posted January 25, 2007 a few more diagnostic questions....? If when I down shift the car clearly seizes might that be an indication of low clutch fluid? also what I've identified as the clutch cylinder does not appear to be a screw off cap. it has two or three hoses going into it. should that be the case? also I have not noticed any sort of smell. I can be in fifth gear at about 60 mph with a bit of acceleration and no changing gears I still get revving. <<just an observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 can someone with a stick please post a pic of the location of the clutch master cylinder? nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritle Posted January 25, 2007 Author Share Posted January 25, 2007 that would be helpful as my car did not come with an owners manual. I kind of got shafted when I bought this as they didn't tell me it was prior salvaged. I took it in for alignment shortly after buying it and was informed the sub frame was cracked. long story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 that would be helpful as my car did not come with an owners manual. I kind of got shafted when I bought this as they didn't tell me it was prior salvaged. I took it in for alignment shortly after buying it and was informed the sub frame was cracked. long story if not email me at nipper.dawg@gmail .com and i can send you a few scans. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmanaenk Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 if not email me at nipper.dawg@gmail .com and i can send you a few scans. nipper Didn't I post a FSM scan on last page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Didn't I post a FSM scan on last page? show off. i was thinking something from a wider angle. Remeber we have a total novice here nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 don't suppose his clutch is cable instead of hydraulic? show off. i was thinking something from a wider angle. Remeber we have a total novice here nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 don't suppose his clutch is cable instead of hydraulic? 98 should be hydraulic, but since its a rebuild who knows. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmanaenk Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Here's a pic of a manual 98 on ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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