Love_em_when_there_old Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Okay well, First things first. Car was stranded about a month ago 20 minutes from my house, it would not idle ran like crap and felt like you were driving a rolling brick. Then it still wouldnt move anywhere but would idle alot better....after fixing a massive vacumm leak. Come up a couple of days later to get down to the problem. Car turns right on..... Heats up..... And im just driving like a mad man for about 10 minutes, Car was running great! then i get on the highway, Its chugging like a Train, Using the throttle becomes and artform. I needed gas so i thought id be nice and give the girl some premium (OCT 91) The car drives absolutly fantastic for about a month and a half but slightly lean/ hesitates past 110 km/h i continue to put 91 in. Then bang Car is chuggiiiinnnng Horribly, like sometimes it wont get past 10km/h. If your really hard on it which i hate doing you can get it to 50km/h but its painful and dosent solve my problem. I came to the conclusion it was timing, concinved myself it just has to be. SO i timed the car using detailed instructions. Seems fine for about 5 minutes, then there it is again. That not the worst thing, it stalls, floods and just dosent run worth a ************. But.... The car idles like a top! Deap 1000 rpms with a slight rpm twitter ( ice had this twitter since getting the car when it ran great replaced the Disty with a new one since then) It does have a very bad exhaust leak and chopped exhaust...Dont think that will change anything other than a little bit of choppyness. Okay conclusion, Car fires right up in the morning, idles good will occasionly die weirdly when its not even that cold, i can watch the car die and then start itslef for like 30 seconds, stalls with clutch in coming to a stop. Cuts out like a mofo, wont go past 20km/h Is this timing or a Failed carb, i need an answer quick please guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subiemech85 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 wow!!! this is almost EXACTLY what I went through RESTRICTED FUEL SYSTEM for a temporary fix, ran a hose in metal 5 gallon can down to pump, and it worked good enough to find a "new" fuel tank about a month later old tank was terribly rusted and sludged up, plugged in tank pickup, plugged pump inlet screen, plugged fuel filters only saving factor is that the car was equipped with turbo engine, and when I bought it, swapped in carb'd ea81, but if it were the ea82t it would have been bad news!!! what happens is the restricted system is able to supply ONLY enough fuel to keep the bowl full @ idle due to low demand, but above approx 20 mph the load is too much for the trickle of fuel to keep up with, and you have to wait until the bowl is full, hence being able to accelerate quickly to about 40 mph then run out of steem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love_em_when_there_old Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Wow it sounds like this is my problem. So where do i go from here, i know first thing first is replace fuel filter. Then where are these other filters yiu speak of? Is this fuel tank easy to acces say like my 94 T leg, right in the trunk lift it out and inspect? Could my pump be bad aswell? what is this going to cost me? Are these repairs easy? Is there a diagram laying around to help me? Thanks for the help, i think you hit the nail on the head and may save me car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love_em_when_there_old Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 BTW this makes perfect sense because now it has trouble idling unless you pump the gas and why it was better when i left it for a week untouched, does that even make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Well... the Fuel Filter in Loyales is just One, and is Located Down, Under the Car, Behind the Electric Fuel Pump and Nearby the Tank & Passenger`s Rear Wheel... if you Check the Tank & Fuel Lines and then everythin` seems to be Fine, your Subie Might have a Carburetor Failure... My 1985 EA82 had the SAME Behaviour than yours with the Aged Craptachi Carb... Then I Swaped There a Weber and the Subie Runs Great! ... Plus more Powerful, Loud and Simplier! Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love_em_when_there_old Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Well... the Fuel Filter in Loyales is just One, and is Located Down, Under the Car, Behind the Electric Fuel Pump and Nearby the Tank & Passenger`s Rear Wheel... if you Check the Tank & Fuel Lines and then everythin` seems to be Fine, your Subie Might have a Carburetor Failure... My 1985 EA82 had the SAME Behaviour than yours with the Aged Craptachi Carb... Then I Swaped There a Weber and the Subie Runs Great! ... Plus more Powerful, Loud and Simplier! Good Luck! I think id like to source weber carb aswell, is it easy to do, say a one day job? how much? where to buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I Purchased mine at: www.webercarburetors.com They`re Kind People. To see Details of the Swap Procedure on EA82`s see my Writeup about it with Step by Step info and plenty of Pics... you can Find it at the List of some of my Writeups, at my "Public Profile" Page here, just Click on my Avatar... Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Replace the fuel filter, then open up the carb and check to see if the float is sticking. Clean it up while you have it apart too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love_em_when_there_old Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Replace the fuel filter, then open up the carb and check to see if the float is sticking. Clean it up while you have it apart too. I come from the world of EJ22's, so what the heck is a float? Also should i just take off my carb for now and clean it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Abides Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I guess a simple check would be to take your fuel filter off and cut it open. If you see chunks of garbage in it, you know the tank is bad. I wouldnt start changeing out parts until you know exactly what is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 First, get a repair manual. But for now; http://www.autozone.com/shopping/repairGuide.htm?pageId=0900c15280067039 The float is just part of a valve (float + needle and seat)that lets fuel into the carb. Take the carb off the car before you take it apart, and if you can, take as many pictures of it during the dissasembly so if you get stuck when putting it back together, you'll know what it's suppossed to look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love_em_when_there_old Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Thanks for the help guys, ill get on it tommorow. ill be back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinthe202 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I come from the world of EJ22's, so what the heck is a float? Also should i just take off my carb for now and clean it? Wow, now that will make you feel old eh? (hehe) Since your disty is new then, like the others have said, fuel is the likely culprit. Good Luck, I hope you figure it out, it's a nice looking car!! Will- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subiemech85 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 best thing to do to determine quality of fuel tank on "gen 3" is to remove sending unit accessible after pulling back trunk carpet, remove metal cover plate held down by glue, remove 5 nuts, and disconnect wire connector which may be hidden, so feel around for it once the sending unit is removed, look at it, should be clean, then look in the tank, also should be clean, then use small prybar to try and scrape the bottom of the tank to check for sediment in my case, sending unit had buildup of crud, thick layer, and nice mound of crud was in tank after using prybar to scrape some together after removing tank and looking through fill tube hole, :eek: :eek: fuel pump inlet screen was plugged, and fuel filter was full of crud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love_em_when_there_old Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Wow, so by the time i went to 20 stores to find a fuel filter NO ONE had one, SO buy the time, it was too late and got nothing done, I phoned to NAPA 20 mins away, they saud they had it, went to get it AND IT WAS THE WRONG ONE, WHY DO THEY HIRE INCOMPETENT EMPLOYEES WHO GIVE THE WRONG INFO! not happy to say the least, i guess anther day, another battle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Wow, so by the time i went to 20 stores to find a fuel filter NO ONE had one, SO buy the time, it was too late and got nothing done, I phoned to NAPA 20 mins away, they saud they had it, went to get it AND IT WAS THE WRONG ONE, WHY DO THEY HIRE INCOMPETENT EMPLOYEES WHO GIVE THE WRONG INFO! not happy to say the least, i guess anther day, another battle Get used to it, it's a common problem with Subarus, it's because of the overlap of the generations(ea81,ea82). Best bet is to get on Napa or other parts stores website and look up the part yourself, then call them with the part number, they love that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love_em_when_there_old Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Get used to it, it's a common problem with Subarus, it's because of the overlap of the generations(ea81,ea82). Best bet is to get on Napa or other parts stores website and look up the part yourself, then call them with the part number, they love that! Thanks, usually they should make it easy for me, but i got to make it easy for them....what a world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo'J Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 For things like that tell them its a brat. It eases the confusion for ea81s. +1 for cutting the filter up 91oct has more cleaners in it, that might have freed some gunk. Bow Wow auto parts or Autovice carries the weber too, for a price check. They beat Napa quite a bit of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caramanos2000 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 If your tank is rusted you can buy a kit made for motorcycle tanks which will strip all the rust from it and permanently seal the surface. kits run around $50 which is def cheaper than a new tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 What year GL do you have? Kreem is the name of stuff for MC tanks. You'll probably need three kits to do a car tank. POR-15 can be used to do the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 POR-15 can be used to do the same thing. Whoa!! I knew POR-15 was some serious stuff but I didn't know it could be imersed in gasoline?? Does it say you can do this on the can/website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caramanos2000 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 You actually need one kit trust me ive done it to a 12 gallon tank. So one of these: http://www.kbs-coatings.com/KBS-Large-Cycle-Tank-Sealer-Kit_p_32.html and at $39 you cant beat it just follow the instructions:banana: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Whoa!! I knew POR-15 was some serious stuffbut I didn't know it could be imersed in gasoline?? Does it say you can do this on the can/website? Yup and Yup. http://www.por15.com/products.asp?dept=12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Thanks Frank, I get it now. They sell a product for doing this http://www.por15.com/prodinfo.asp?grp=FTRK&dept=12 I was thinking you meant the POR-15 rust preventive paint that I have on the shelf. http://www.por15.com/prodinfo.asp?grp=1&dept=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 It may be the same stuff, I remember guys talking about it on the MC forums before POR-15 offered the tank kit. They liked it better since it was black and not white like the Kreem stuff. Maybe it's worth a try on a mower tank to see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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